All right, I'll call this my meeting order. We appear to have everyone. The whole game. Welcome. All right. First item, are we doing, are you doing it, sir? Yes, I am. You're doing a recap of three things. David Ropes minus Mr. Oberg, who is six. Time is yours, sir. Thank you. 280 cards. In today's 2025 graphic summary, we can start with attendance first. Who came to Draper Days? This year, for the three days at Draper City Park, that's Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, we had a total attendance of 43,100 people. The smaller number here represents last year's numbers. So last year, we had about 45,000 people. This year, we had about 45,000. 3,000 people, so 2,000 fewer than last year. If you look at the breakdown Thursday night, we had about 6,000 people in the park. Compared to last year, that's a significant increase. Last year we had about 4,000, this year we had six, so quite a big increase at our attendance Thursday night at Draper Days. Thursday night at Draper City Park is the night So great numbers on Thursday. Friday, we ended up with about 9,000 people. Last year, we had about 15,000. a decrease. This is the rain. That's the rain out, though, considering we canceled it. Absolutely. Pretty good attendance. And if you consider that the majority of the attendance takes place after 8 o'clock, and that's about the time we called it. So I think it would be safe to agnosticate that we would have a larger number, probably, if we would not. Saturday night, we counted, or I should say our analytics platform tells us that we had about 28,000 people at Dream Park Saturday. That is actually more than what we had last year for Saturday. So although overall our attendance is off about 2,000, our attendance Saturday was actually greater than what it was last year. And so was Thursday. Saturday and Thursday. And we are really happy with Thursday. Thursday we have most of the activities that take place during Draper Days on the west side are all going on. So all those activities are going on. In terms of where the attendees came from, the zip codes, this year about 40% of the attendees came from Draper City zip codes, about 20% from Sandy. Those numbers are aligned with last year. and other smaller numbers with the surrounding municipalities. Average time, the average time an attendee spends at JPA's is about two hours. That's actually gone up. It went up seven minutes from last year. I think what we're finding is families are spending a little bit longer there because we've got some great activities. So about two hours. Here's some notables for the event. For the horse poll, that's the Monday after the rodeo, we had fantastic attendance. The Utah Horse Poll Association that puts that event on, they tell us that it is the best attended horse poll in the state of Utah. They brag about that on their face page. So it was well attended. We had a lot of ancillary activities at that event. a climbing wall, petting zoo pony rides. We had a drum group perform at the halftime. But the record attendance at the Horse Bowl was great. We had a popular new stunt dog show, the Extreme Dog Stunt Team. Really what we see, we estimate that 4,500 to 5,000 people saw that show. Where did you find them, Dave? I went to the Utah State Fair last year, and I saw them. Utah State Fair starts this week. So I saw them at the State Fair and got a little book. They're out of Canada. I don't book them out of Canada. But it was really popular, a lot of fun. They were a classy act. We talked about the car show participation. Did anyone attend that? So a lot of fun getting the cars parked. We learned a lot there. We opened up the second bike valet location. That was well received. Both the bike valet locations were full on both nights. So really well received. Fireman's breakfast was moved from Smithfields to Jacob Park. Although I did not attend, I heard it was well attended. It went several hours past what it was anticipated. And then the frontman. Red's main entertainment on Saturday night was well received. I think that's evidenced by the large turnouts. Some numbers of the booth spaces. Booth spaces are important because after sponsors, booth spaces, booths are the number one driver of revenue for the event after sponsorships in the world. We had 188 booth spaces at Draper Days. That's more than last year. 80 of those were handmade. About 47 were business venues. Business vendors spend about $350 per space. Handmade vendors spend about $125 per space. We had 32 spaces dedicated to sponsors, 26 food vendors. 26 is more than what we've ever had in three days. And we had three government entities go to our booths. Were the food vendors happy with that? Great question. They were happy, and all the food vendors are professional food vendors. They attend all the major events in the Valley and in the state. So in context of all the events, they were very happy with Draper Days. Anecdotally, the food vendors tell us that all the events were down this year in terms of sales. So they were happy with Draper Days, although they report generally soft sales at all the events. Well, Friday impacted it, too. Absolutely. Friday was a big impact. You can just scoot that up a little bit. Total expense, total income, and the net. With our income, our income was down. Our income was down 5%. Our sponsorships were down 9%. Last year, they were $96,000. This year, they were $88,000. A couple reasons we think for that. First is just One interesting thing is the number of big sponsors, top sponsors. The top five sponsors last year gave us a combined income of $70,000. The top five sponsors this year only gave us an income of about $30,000. Last year, we had Podium. They gave us $30,000. We had no $30,000 contributor. Last year, we had WaterPro give us $15,000. We had no $15,000 contributor this year. WaterPro gave us $10,000. Price Development gave us $15,000 last year. They gave us nothing this year. Zions gave us $10,000 last year. They gave us $2,000 this year. So the other interesting thing is the number of sponsors. Our sponsor numbers increased 70%. Last year, we only had 33 sponsors. This year, we had 56 sponsors. Those were cash sponsors. That's an increase of 70%. They were giving us increments of $1,000, $2,500 We had no podium walking in with the third draft. Significant increase in number of sponsors from 33 to 56. That's a 70% increase. Despite gaining many more sponsors in 2025, total sponsorship amount decreased by approximately 90%. We've already talked about the top five sponsors playing a role in that. Our rodeo income was down 20%. $57,000, and that's due to Podium. Podium last year not only gave us the $30,000, they also purchased $8,000 worth of rodeo tickets that allowed us to have the third night each year. This year we did not have the third night, hence our lower intake there. Vendors were the only one that the income was up. Income is up on vendors almost 30%. Sports tournaments were down almost a quarter, almost 25%. I will not speak for Reddit other than to say that one of their big tournaments is the softball tournament that's on Friday night. They had to refund all that money because that was cancer. In addition to that, Reddit added another event. The disc golf was a novel event. So he's got to build that up. Draper Idol was off and the parade was off. Our top 10 expenses, the stage rental, that's our top expense for Draper Day, $60,000. The Fretman, which was Saturday night's main performers, about $32,000. The tent rentals, diamond tent and event, about the same amount we spent, $32,000. Fireworks, it's a great fireworks presentation on Saturday night, the best ever. That cost $30,000 for that. About $1,000. Circle J Rodeo that puts on the Rodeo Force, $24,000. Generators Light Towers, Porter Johns, about $13,000 each. The Groove Merchants, that was the Friday night entertainment, $12,000. And the Canine Stunt Team was about $10,000. It was hard. So we have our work cut out next year to reduce costs and increase our income. So that's our goal. The parade was great this year, no injuries. Any questions I can answer? I just heard comments from people that the parade was the best one that they had here for as long as they lived. We had some great bands. We had a drum corps from Alta High School. We had the La Llorona Marching Band. We had the Scottish Bagpipers. We had a great... I think people love those if we can keep them coming. That's great. This year we added the phone machine to their last entry, which was a lot of fun. We are trying to work out an amphitheater performance in the next year, too, at this point. Right? Can we keep them? They still got paid $12,000. We'd like them to do something for the $12,000. Would they come next year for the $12,000 or not? Or do we have to pay them again? I think we'd have to pay them again. Yeah. Probably. Their contract states that. Great job, David. That was a really super man. Thank you. Calm than usual. Mayor. All right. Next is our Mr. Cooley. Can I have two minutes, Mayor? I apologize. I was going to grab you at the start before. I just wanted to take a minute. Nick, if you'll stand up. I wanted to introduce you guys to Nick Roble. He is our new, he's the part-time position you approved this year in the budget for emergency management. So I wanted you to be able to see the face and know the name that goes with it. Nick has been on two weeks now. Is that correct? And he has been very hard at it. In our command staff meeting this morning, the update from Nick took the bulk of our meeting this morning. No, just kidding. He has jumped in with both feet. He has a lot of expertise and background to get us started. moving in the right direction as far as emergency management. But I asked him if maybe he had a few minutes just to step in here tonight because I felt it was appropriate for you guys to be able to see the face and the name that goes with it and know that we're moving forward in emergency management. He's housed here at City Hall. He's in the cubicle that's right outside of Nicole's office. So obviously if you're around and see him around, that's who this new employee to the city is. So I wanted you guys to be able to see him. 715 this morning if I remember the sound of the door with me. I say, Kelly's sick. That's not Kelly. All right, Nick, thank you. I appreciate you taking some time to come in. Have a good rest of your night. Nice to meet you, Nick. All right, Mr. Cooley, sir. All right, thank you. Go ahead. So we've been working on our transportation master plan, the projects that are listed in that. We're getting down to the harder projects, and I wanted to review one with you because in the past, this has not been a popular one to pursue. We kind of just need to know whether the council wants to do it or whether we should take it up as a transportation plan. This is 134 South. What this would provide is a valuable connection between 1300 East and Fort St. city actually owns the right way. But there's no improvements there that connects the east side. There's a little dirt trail. There is a little path. It goes right through. So, and I've talked to, there's also some drainage issues on 134 south that we would like to fix by putting a storm drain line in there. So anyway, that's just something to think about. This is where the So there is a dirt trail that connects the two. If we did this project, we could do it as minimally as possible by just adding enough asphalt to give us lines are roughly right here on the north side and here on the south side. So it jogs. I can't, right here I think it comes out to here. So I know in the past we brought this up and there hasn't been an appetite to do it. We can keep it On the master transportation plan, we can take it off of the next one. Or we can start working towards doing this project. What's the cost? I have no idea. I mean, it just depends on how aggressive we get with it. We could do curb and gutter improvements. We have curb and gutter on a lot of this here. There's a lot that we could do. If we want minimally, it wouldn't be a huge cost. And storm drain would pay for all of the storm drain costs out of our storm water impact fee. So we could do it fairly cheap. Would we have to acquire any more property? No, not for the minimal project. What are the drainage issues? There's no storm drain, so it's just- Is it flooding? Yeah, it just run off, uncontrollably run off. Into these houses? I don't think any of the houses, but their property has flooded. Like when we had the 500 year storm, did we have any flooding here? That's a good question. I think just about everywhere flooded, to my recollection. I just need to get a feel for, is there an appetite for it? Do you want more information to make a decision? I know police and fire would love to have a connection. I support a connection. I support connectivity. I would like to do it minimally invasive if possible, but I think we benefit from having more connectivity throughout the city, especially for police and fire. Are you a connector? Yeah. I mean, I remember when this was purchased by the city. Where'd Mike go? He left. I don't know. Well, that's four. He disconnected. This will be a hot button for those. It will be hot. I'm just telling you this is going to be really hot. It will. But nothing that we do is not heated. So we always jump into the fire. Every project. But we can't complain about traffic and not open up other connections. There's a price to pay. Well, the drainage is a big issue, too, that I wasn't aware of. So to be clear, Ford wanted to pursue the connection with the storm drain repair, not necessarily the curb and gutter, but the storm drain? Well, I think why would we not? I think you almost need the curb and gutter with the storm drain. We could do curb and gutter on one side. We could do it on both sides. Yeah, for the storm drain, it would be very helpful. It's just the cost, right? We have money for it, right? Yes. Stormwater. The storm, that's a stretch, but it is part of the drainage system. It's part of the system. I think it's a bare stretch. So is the curb and gutter elsewhere on 134th? Yeah, there is. Some spots. Yeah, there are areas. And when people are traveling west and they come to this dirt path, do they use these guys' driveways to turn around? Yeah, right here, it's like a one-way right here. It chucks down. There's nothing around. All right, so do you want us to consider more than just the minimal improvements or just the minimal improvements? I don't think that's going to change the outcry. Maybe do the minimal and just get your toe in the water. We can do without the curb and gutter. It won't really do much without the curb and gutter. So we have a little bit on the east end that would be a benefit. There is some storm drain about But you know, this all happened, Marsha, you were on the planning commission when the property owner on the west portion of that He did a land swap with the city so that he could build on another lot, and that land swap is what opened up 134 with the intent to connect. Yeah, but before that, there was the intent. Never connect. But that will open up response time for all of our public data. Do we know of kids who use that to walk to and from high school? Oh, I'm sure. The mayor uses it. I've always been frustrated with the connection east west so another road like for instance right recently when you had 138 closed that was a pain and if you forget you get going that way you forget it's nice to have another option and opening up by the school that helped a ton And the connectivity, obviously, for a response has already been mentioned. But inevitably, when you get something on a lane like this, inevitably, you get bad information that sends you to the wrong site. And it costs significant time in response. So minimal. So I guess the question is, can you fix the flooding issues without? No. So it needs to have co-veteran sidewalk to address the flooding. So with the minimal section, we'd just be talking Yeah, if you're going to, I mean, we're going to go to the expanse. Let's do it right. Everybody complained about 132. Now they love it. And we have money set aside. No, it's not. We do not have money for this. We'll get started on it. I thought you did. I thought you said for the storm drain. Oh, we have money that we can draw from for the storm water, yes. But that won't fix it. You just want to keep it on the plan as a full approval. Yes, and start working on it. Start working on it. We'll get it surveyed so that we can get a cost. Right now, we really don't have a cost. Prices are going down a little bit, which is very good. Well, I think at the very least, we should look at just doing the minimal for connectivity. My concern is opening up the street and having kids walk on it and not have... So we'll get the whole thing surveyed and we'll get some layouts and then we'll see what it looks like, what the impact will be. I really can't tell you until we get it. And maybe you could fix that just on one side. Yeah, just on one side. I think there is sidewalk, isn't there, on the west portion? There's sidewalk over here. If you go further, yeah. There's a curb right there. Yeah. I think there's a sidewalk on the other side. And there's a sidewalk, I believe, over here. And is there a sidewalk anywhere on the other side? No, there's nothing. It's fairly encroached on. There's one area that's pretty encroached in the city right away. It'll be a fun project. Almost as fun as 4th Street. When are we doing this coming? How do you feel about connecting? We all had to wave in during your absence here. Do it. Just after November 2nd. Do it after November 2nd. It'll be a long time now. It won't be next year. Possibly the year after. Connectivity is important. Connectivity is really important, if only for emergency response time. All right. We have been working over the past 12 years or so on our engineering standards and it's been a very long and arduous task. We have just about got them ready to bring before you trying to figure out how to do that because it's extensive and I don't think it's going to be very entertaining for me to stand up before you. So what I'm thinking of doing is preparing a package. I thought of some entertaining ways, but none of it seems very good. I'm thinking of just preparing a packet that you can review. And then if you have any questions, you can just ask the questions. But engineering is not typically a highlight in one state to talk about. Brainless might be an exception. You can set yourself short. I think what we do is very interesting, by the way. I hope so. You've got me in the palm of your hand right now. All right, so I'm just going to show you one. About three years ago, you may remember at the legislature, there were developers trying to get the cities to reduce their city cross sections for roads. All in the name of the housing crisis. Yes, every time. So I had some discussions with David. I don't recall if we ever brought this before you and discussed it. We may have, I don't remember. But we talked about reducing our local road cross section. For one, we actually need to increase the asphalt width by a foot in order for our roads to be compliant with the fire code. Amazingly, we're a little bit short. So we would increase the actual asphalt from 25 feet to 26 feet, and we are talking about or decreasing the park strip from 10 feet to 6 feet. Now, we don't have to do this. This is a matter of, at the same time back in the day when we were discussing it, well, we're still in a drought situation, so a lot of people are not wanting large grass park strips that they have to water and maintain. So this would reduce that park strip obligation and maintenance burden on homeowners. not be wide enough for grass. So a lot of code would not allow people to sow grass. So like where we have the tree issue up on Timoney Road and stuff, that park strip's like six feet, isn't it? Is it five feet? And that would be the that subdivision predates our product code. On the grass, you have to have at least 8 feet in width in order to have grass. And that's because you water that with overhead sprinklers. So if it's less than 8 feet, you're watering concrete as well as the grass. So it's not efficient to water. But then you have 6 feet of rock. Which really is where... They can put other plants. This is really where everyone's going. It's the local scaping. Don't think rock. I know that's what I think, but most people don't do that with the scaping, so we need to educate them. Yes. I'm just going to think about that in like two minutes because we have three committees today. So here's the thing. Right now, our mass transportation plan calls out our valley local roads as 60 foot wide for the total highway. we would propose to change that to 53 with this configuration reducing the park service to 60. If that's what you want to do. If it's not, we'll just keep it the way that it is and there won't be any change to the transportation plan either. And I'm fine either way. I don't really care. No, I think this is good because it pushes people to the water-wise landscaping, which is kind of what we're supposed to be doing, right? Yes, we are. And educate on the right trees that they put in so we don't have the sycamores that are part of the sidewalk. So is this something that most of you want to do? Does this 53-foot road solve the housing crisis? Absolutely. Hallelujah. I don't think there's any reason not to do it. It's a magic bullet. It saves a foot on each side. In reality, it doesn't do anything for the housing crisis. What? Oh, Scott. I'm sorry. Like I said, I just create problems. Well, you've just given them seven more feet. Make more development. Bigger houses on smaller lots to solve housing crisis. And they'll take that off. I'm just warming up. I'm sure. He's getting ready. You go on at 720. I do like the 26 foot width. Anyone not want us to do that? That's all I have. I got one thing I wanted to start with. I've met with Gary Free. I think some of you have met with Gary. Gary has a very cool idea, I think, in wanting to do a museum type building on our some of our 10 acres that we have going east from City Hall. I met with him. He's super fired up about it. And you know, he's certainly a person, he's not going to do a bake sale to try and raise the money. He's like, legitimately capable of raising money. It's not cookies and pies. But I told him he was, he was really getting wound up about it. He's got like an architect and all of it. And I said, well, the council's got to decide what if anything they want to do, how you want to do the 10 acres. So I don't, we have to decide it tonight, but I'd like to put it down for like a half hour, 45 minutes to go over what you want to do with that property. Is that something you'd want to do? Do you want to do some joint venture with them? They would want to do the building, which when he presented me was, we would contribute the land, they would do the building, you know, we would own it. But ultimately, he's got some good ideas. I mean, it's actually one of the cooler. Is it more than just a museum, though? Not really. No, so I talked... I had a meeting with him after with the architect. And we all talked about that we wanted more community space there. So I think it would be more than just the museum. He would present to us. But you've got to decide, all of you, what you want to do. Because his park would take up three or four acres or so. But it could incorporate into the stationary plan that's approved in there with that density retail, all of it. find a meeting where we can talk about that item for a while. And we can even have him come present his concept so you can see what he's talking about. Well, I think we've all talked quite a bit about it being some sort of a civic use where you could have large meetings or basketball tournaments and a place to display visual art and maybe whole performing art concerts. I don't want just a museum. I want it to have multi-use. I told him there was no money to operate it. from the city and no money from the city to build it. We would only be able to contribute land and they'd have to operate it. Something like you're talking about, that's significant operational cost. So that's what I want to talk about. It's your money, your land, whatever you want to do with it. But this dude's all down the tracks quite a ways with the architect and the concept. And he's passionate about it. Gary's certainly very capable of achieving it. You guys got to decide what you want to do. I just think there's a little bit of risk in only doing the museum, right? And we're losing three acres, and we're not getting that civic use that we really bought the property for, right? So when you're going to put it on for a study meeting, a couple, maybe do it. Oh, we can share a vision with that. What's that? I was thinking the first part of the year, we could do maybe in a retreat type, add it into. talking about it, where you hear what he's, I mean, I think you just, I think he's willing to wait that long. Sure. He had no choice. He can wait. He can wait until tomorrow, or what's he going to do? Does he own the land? Does he have the money? It's your land, so yeah, he's going to wait until you're ready. If he's willing to raise the money to build what we want, yes, that is a huge win. I just don't want to say, go build a museum, and then we suddenly don't have room for this major civic center that we've really wanted to prioritize. The meeting that I went to had the architects there, and they're willing to do, you know, envision everything. They're willing to draw it out. It's funding that's the challenge. If Gary is willing to raise $50 million or $60 million, I'm willing to call it the Gary Free Civic Center, you know? But it has to encompass all of those uses. And they're willing. And at the meeting, they said, we just need to know what you guys want, and we're ready to start it. Well, how are they going to know unless we meet with them and share it all? Right. That's what they want to do. Well, I think we ought to meet as a council to talk about what you want on it before we talk to him. If you say you want a Civic Center so it's got to be done when you talk to him, he may not want to do that. I don't know. They are okay to do that. Well, let's talk about it amongst the five of you before we come up with what you want. Well, we should be thinking about that now. We should be thinking about that now so that we're prepared when we meet by skating. You want to do it like... I don't know if we could do one in December or January. We could send it in sooner out of here. I just told them to quit running so hard down the tracks until the council told them what they wanted to do and what they wanted to do. A little risky tips right now. That was my- I mean, there'll be two- What's that? There'll be two new council members, so they may want to have that . The other thing is we- We interviewed a... Wait, why are there going to be two? It might only be one. Doesn't there have to be two? Oh, excuse me. Oh, I'm sorry. Hey, I've got 102 fever. Sorry, I take that back. That's not what I meant. Wow, wow. No, no, no. I might be gone. You can have her. No, please. It's made the record show that I'm bright red, and I retract that statement. At least one new councilman. We had an opportunity to pick someone I want to appoint as our HR director. Do you guys want to meet with them before? And if you do, I'd like to set it up as soon as possible. I support you in what you decide. Any of you want to meet with them? It's always nice if they come and have dinner with us, you know, just so we can meet them a little bit. Logistically, it would be better. Do you want to meet with them instead of meeting them? They might have a job we don't want to interfere with. Yes, correct. If you want to meet with them, we'll set up time for you. As long as you want to meet with them. If you've met with them and stuff, that's good. Marcia, do you want to meet with them? Sure. Those three want to meet. Okay. Okay, that was all I had. You should meet with them. I mean, if you set up, you're going to have to do another meeting. So I was going to say we need at least two meetings. I'll do it. I'll be available. It's got to be in the next week, right? Yes. Yeah, next week. Because it'll be, assuming we can strike a deal, we'll be on. I want to make an offer and get them locked down. I don't know what else we'll go tomorrow. There's not a lot of time, so I thought we'll put it together. Okay, just going back. I want to go back to Draper days for one second. The one thing that I still have as a priority is having the majority of the attendees be from Draper. I'm glad we had 40% of the attendees from Draper. I'd really like to see that over 50%. I think that should be a top three priority. How do we do that? I mean, I get what you're saying when I'm trying to figure out how do we increase Draper attendance versus Sandy or Riverton. Draper involvement, like get people to participate. Volunteers. Yeah, I think we've been doing a good job of highlighting local bands and having local kids perform. And I think the number is going up. I just want that to continue to be a focus of Draper Day. So we're spending all of this money. It's Draper taxpayer dollars. We want Draper taxpayers at Draper Day. I'm just asking, what do you think are the things we can do to help? I don't want to advertise it outside of Draper. I think we've done a better job with that. We didn't, and we haven't. I think Sandy's always going to be aware of it, at least. Maybe we do a priority layer picnic blanket down, and we push that out to Draper residents. Priority seating for Draper residents. I don't know how you would safeguard it, but at least you could say. I don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas here. It's hard, but I just think it should be in the back of our minds. I'm actually glad to see it's as high as it was, because sometimes I have my impression it's even lower than that. 40% is better than it's been, but I'd like it to be even more than that. Because it's our celebration. Right, and maybe that's getting more involvement from the schools. If you get the kids here, the parents come, right? I know it's summer, but... 60% when you add our nearest neighbors, pretty much our two cities. Yeah, and I think Sandy's going to come. I mean, it's right here. Maybe volunteers, along with the programming, bring them to the park. I think the events we have, like not having all of the fair-type rides helps but more local, too. Well, I know there are BYU students, not from Utah, who came to it because they had heard so many great things about it. So I think there's a reputation. I think you've got this group of young adults, teenagers, and they go from event to event to event to event. So I think if that's spreading, then I think you're going to get them. Well, if we wouldn't have canceled Friday night, It would have been record-breaking. No advertising outside of the city. Still record-breaking attendance. I do think having the local Rock U and those groups, the local performing arts groups, doing their shows on the children's stage, I think that's bringing in a lot of those different families. That's how you do it. I'm promoting the Draper Idol to be a part of promoting. That 180, when you really look at it, is what we've always been spending, roughly. Even when there's supposedly more sponsorship, we were always contributing at least that, plus time from fire, public safety, public works. So I think it held the line up pretty well. I actually really appreciate the fact that we have more donors, more small number donors. more local donors, you know, then they're personally invested. They're going to come. We charge more for booths if we want to raise more money. You could do some of that. But we're not losing money, too. I mean, that's the thing. This is just to provide an advantage. I kind of like that one night fireworks show that was on steroids. People loved fireworks. I mean, maybe we could just go to one night fireworks, not two. I would be okay with that. That steroid level show is pretty awesome. So in order to do what you want to do, you have to change this from a public good to a toll good. So you would sell tickets, and then you would offer a Draper discount if you're a Draper resident. That's how you do the award. But you can't control the crowd. You can't control the crowd. You get an economic incentive, though. We have no points of interest. I mean, we have open points of interest. I think you're saying we keep doing all the stuff we're doing. Do you have anything else? I mean, that's... I was just going to say, I think we're all fairly close to consensus on the Civic Center. I think we can probably talk about it for half an hour in study session. I don't know if we need to push it until January in a retreat. I don't care. Whenever you want to talk about it. Next week, next meeting. Just put it on the agenda for study. I mean, we can talk about it. And I agree we should talk about it amongst ourselves before we talk with Gary. Let's get down the list of our top ten things we want to see at the Civic Center. Maybe get it weighed out so we can see how much space there is. Like, develop a whole space, like how much the 10 acres with all the roads and whatever you're going to need. And parking. Parking for different uses. We've drawn that. Cool. I've seen maps of that before as part of the stationary plan. I don't think this is out of the blue. We've already kind of narrowed it down a little bit. I think you want to jump on it while the iron's hot, too, while Gary's motivated. Jen's saying she could have two meetings. She could get it laid out for you. That'd be awesome. Thanks, John. October. Half hour. Right. Anybody else have anything? We have 15 minutes before. Just got one thing. I heard that Jill Wright was throwing rocks down on our open space for the trail. Oh, Jill, I didn't see you there. Scott, do you have an update on that? Might as well take a couple of minutes. I knew why you were here. Yeah, so we did talk to the contractor and they said that they did not intentionally do it. It's just what they said. We said, well, you can't do that anymore and we're going to have to figure out if you're going to have to remove the rocks So we're still working on Either way, we'll be working internally with legal and whoever else to just determine what needs to happen with that contractor. Anybody else, go ahead. Yeah, so earlier today, Linda and I were having a discussion regarding how we deliver the bi-monthly newsletter to residents. Cost apparently is $55,000. for printing and postage for six issues. And now we're talking about options of electronic delivery with, I guess, with caveat knowing that there are going to be members of the community where you want a piece of paper, you know, a paper newsletter in their hands. So I guess we're just looking, maybe looking for ideas. Linda, if you've got anything to add to that. Yeah, I was thinking to gauge public interest maybe in the next couple of issues we could put a little ad that says you know we're considering going strictly digital on the draper forward newsletter if you feel you know strongly about keeping a print issue coming you know respond to this yes or no and have a link and a qr code so people can respond that way and also possibly doing like a limited print of a few hundred copies to still distribute to the senior center, the library, and city hall as we've been doing so that we have a place to point people if they really want to get that. We could also consider, I have not talked to the county, but programs like Meals on Wheels, trying to reach homebound people, we might be able to partner with them to send copies along with their routes to people who are homebound. But it's just such a big expense and it keeps creeping up every year that it would be interesting for us to know how many people are actually only seeing it in their mailbox and not through Notified Raper and the other channels that we distributed on. I think we should probably do that study first and then come back with that information. It would be nice if there were a way for people to opt in to a paper copy. Because I think there is a portion of our residency that really do rely on the mail copies. And would they be willing to pay like $4 a year? a year for the paper copy. That sounds crazy. It's probably such a small number of residents. I just hate to miss them. I think there's a sadness in those residents not hearing. Right, I agree. Yeah, sometimes you just want to sit down with that. Some people, you know, even when you're campaigning, there's some people that meet you at the door with your flyers, you know? Could you, I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, you're good. Could we send it out electronically and measure the open rate? I mean, still do the printed email, because it's not going to cost us anything to send it out. And you can at least see what the open rate is on how many people are actually opening that email and looking at it. We don't currently have a platform that measures open rate, so we would have to subscribe to something else. There would probably be something that would. Like constant contact. Yeah, but I don't think it would be that expensive to subscribe to that, at least if you're doing a campaign on that. Yeah, I guess it would depend on the number. We talked about subscription. just trying to keep up with that list. And we didn't know if the post office could mail to a specific list. Every time, it would have to continue to be updated as people would come and go and subscribe. It would cost more to do it that way. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, too. Do we shrink the size of it? Probably won't change the price. So we talked about that. We just don't know if it would have the same value if it was just like a one-page newsletter. Cheaper paper. I think the quality of it's nice though. It's a great newsletter. When you currently do it five times, six issues a year, is there a way to reduce it to four? We could, it is tricky with timeliness. Even at six issues a year. recommendations there's got there's some services out there that can measure that open right for us though that don't seem to be that expensive all right anybody have anything else i do um the tree committee met this morning and so they talked a little bit about the sycamore concerns um and they talked about what would happen when those trees are removed what can be put back in there if it's five feet or less. Under five. So if it's exactly five feet, they can put one in there. Well, wouldn't they be grandfathered in anyway to replace a tree? Once they remove the tree, they kind of lose grandfathered status. But if it's five feet or larger, they can have trees. I think the tree list from the tree commission does include shorter or smaller park strips with species. So if it's that, so I think you could give the residents that list of trees appropriate for that size park strip and then they can decide what species they want to plant. But about the ones that are removed and they don't want the grass or they have to also remove the grass? If they have grass, they can keep the grass. We'll be replacing the turf of any trees that we take out. So we'll mulch it and then we'll replace the grass or put grass in where the tree was. And then they are updating the street tree guide to include specs for fire prone areas. I think that update one is not on the website, so residents don't actually know which trees have been updated. So they're hoping that once they update those, that the whole thing can be uploaded to the website. I think it needs to go to the council for approval, and then get it up on the website. OK. Great. Thank you. Anybody have anything else? I'm still getting emails from a woman who is upset about pickleball courts in backyards too close to property lines. I know you guys have also received emails from Mrs. Cregan. I believe other cities have moved forward with some type of ordinance around pickleball courts, like hours or lighting or distance from property boundaries. I don't know if that's something we have appetite to look into. if we think this is a pressing concern. The hours and lighting seems reasonable at a minimum, doesn't it? Yeah, I think at a minimum. I mean, I know there's someone in Draper who has six pickleball courts in their yard now. And they're running like pickleball tournaments. It's called a club. No, not on my street at all. I didn't realize it expanded to six. Well, I mean, it's hard to do. setbacks at this point. They're going to have all these grandfathered in. I don't know. We should jump on something. Lights and noise. Is that practical? Can we look into that? Yeah, absolutely. It seemed to me if you're going to build a pickleball court, you're not going to put it on the property line anyways. Oh. We are. Apparently. Why do you think we are? Well, the line's right on the property line. Come on over, Mike. I'll show you. I'm just going to shut up. Because it's not a tournament. Zero for two. No, no, no. I was kidding. The problem is the size of lots here versus Park City where they have like 200 foot distance off the property line. We don't have a lot of where that would be feasible here. Isn't that like 200 feet? Yeah, that's pretty good. And we have a basketball court right on our parking lot. So I don't know. I'm guilty too. But they're not as loud. Those aren't as loud as pickleball. We have noise ordinances. Doesn't that apply? Well, that's a good question. Could you say we already have a city quiet hour starting at 10 p.m. This is also applicable to pickleball courts? Is that what needs to be said? Or no, John? I think our ordinance is in place for that. If the noise ordinance doesn't include that, would it include pickleball play as part of the noise? It's really noisy. I do feel for this woman. It is really disturbing her life. The code does have something about lighting. It looks at maximum foot candles and property line and shielding of lights. We have gotten complaints where code forces have gone out and made people adjust their lights on their courts. I'd have to Because you've got the morning as much of an issue as you do. That's what I said. If you can have one that performs the same, it could be a moneymaker. I thought that there was. We have like five minutes. So if you have something more, we can bring it up later. Let's take a break. Joel, do you still want to talk? I would like to talk. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to welcome to our city council meeting this evening. I'm Mayor Walker. I'd like to get our meeting started with our call to order. Our next item on our agenda is an opportunity for the Pledge of Allegiance. Tonight will be led by our fire chief, Mr. Clint Smith. Clint. CHIEF. ITEM THREE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS SET LATER IN THE MEETING, ITEMS FIVE THROUGH. IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ONE OF THOSE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, WE ASK THAT YOU WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS CALLED SO WE CAN KEEP OUR RECORD CLEAR. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL ON A GENERAL ITEM IN THE CITY, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. Are there anybody, is there anyone here? I have one card on a general comment. Does anybody like to make a general comment just to get an idea? All right, I have one card, Mr. Joel Wright. Let me give you the rules. I know Joel, so I'm going to give him the rules for sure. No, we're pretty friendly here. We do have a three-minute clock over here to the right, Joel, and that is enforced strictly. But anyway, if you have a comment, just make your comment. Give us your name and address. I'll start your time. And go ahead, sir. Thank you, Mayor. My name is Joel Wright. I live at 15312 South Wing Trace Court in the Draper, up in the Suncrest area. First, I just want to really warmly thank you for serving as City Council and Mayor. It's a really hard, thankless job. I was a bit crazy at one point and thought I could change the world, and I served on the Cedar Hills City Council after someone quit just for two years, and we approved a Walmart, and I still have some PTSD from that experience. so um also i just want to say draper is in a remarkably well-run city there are so many mistakes you could have made in the last little while and you didn't and then you took some real risks and some real courage to make some right decisions especially that open space that we have up there i mean i genuinely compare it to like the louisiana purchase or alaska i think that was how visionary and how important it was for the future of our community and i can't thank you enough i i wonder honestly if i'm worthy of that open space We do consider it somewhat sacred, you know, sort of like people would consider Central Park in Manhattan or Yellowstone. We love that open space. And it's managed so well with just the minimal trails that people can enjoy. Anyway, so that's why I'm so kind of fired up and worked up. Mercer Mountain Estates, first off, they absolutely have the right to build 50 new homes in that area. And they need to operate in the public easement to build their road and do some other things. course I don't like it but of course they have the right to do it I mean I'm there as well and this has been there for like 20 years and so it's coming but the shockingly callous disregard that then they get a bunch of boulders and toss them into Mercer Hollow causing literally decades of ecological destruction furthermore boulders landing on the trail they'll be very expensive to remove and making the trail unsafe because now you have a bike 10 or 20 big boulders that have rolled down a little bit who could roll down and mush some poor bicyclist or person walking on the trail. I know this might sound crazy, but it genuinely makes me happy when I can look out from my house at night and I see little lights and mountain bikers running, or I see the Lone Peak mountain biking team or Corner Canyon riding by. It's really part of the charm and joy of that hollow. And to see that it's already been closed for the entire summer, it might be closed indefinitely or unsafe, because they're just trying to save a few dollars is terrible. I mean, when I was building my own house, we extracted a boulder as big as a minivan, and it cost us a couple thousand dollars to remove it. It was painful. I get it. But I don't believe for a second that that was not intentional. And it's kind of, if they had owned it and said, yeah, we're trying to save money, let's do it, see what we can. No, now they're going to have to pay a lot more to fix the problem than if they'd just been responsible at first. So I guess my request is, and you guys have already done it, and I love that you've already done it. Yeah, no more boulders down the hill. And second, they need to figure out a plan to restore that trail. I'll be generous. I would say by no later than June 1st of next year, because they shut it down on June 1st of 2025. We're going to give them a whole year to shut down our trail, our entire hollow. That should be enough time to operate in the public easement. And yeah, it's going to cost some money to restore it and make it safe. I don't even know how exactly to do that, but they need to. Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else like to make a general public comment? All right. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 4B, WHICH IS RESOLUTION 25-43. ACTUALLY, ITEM 4A IS APPROVAL OF OUR AUGUST 19, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES. ITEM 4B IS RESOLUTION 2543. IT'S A RESOLUTION APPOINTING DAVID ZWICKI TO THE DRAPER CITY TREE COMMISSION. ITEM 4C IS RESOLUTION 2545, A resolution approving the second amendment to the water purchase agreement between Draper City and Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District. Mr. Mayor. Ms. Vaudrey. I move we approve consent items 4A through 4C. Motion by Ms. Vaudrey to approve the consent items. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Lowry. Any further discussion on those items? Seeing none, Ms. Vaudrey, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Lowry. Yes. Ms. Johnson. Yes. That was approved unanimously 5-0. It takes us to item number 5. Item number 5A. This is a public hearing. It's ordinance number 1670. It's an ordinance of Draper City amending the Texas-Draper City general plan to add the Draper Front Runner, Kimball's Lane, and Crescent View station area plans. We'll have our staff report on this by Mr. Todd Taylor. Go ahead, sir. Thank you. As indicated, this is the adoption of our last three stationary plans. So that map shows where the three stations are located. So Crescent View is up in the northeast corner along the border of Sandy. Just south of that is Kimball's Lane. And then on the southwestern portion of the city is the Vista or the Draper Front Runner Station. And then you can see some aerials here of the Vista Station and the Kimball Station. As you know, we're on a slightly accelerated timeline for these stationary plans to get them adopted and certified by WFRC by the end of the year as required by the state. We began our community engagement through setting up a stakeholder committee and then moved into holding small group meetings where we reached out to the stakeholder committee and and discussed the opportunities and constraints in each of the station areas and that was held in March of 2025. We then moved into some design shreds where we again met with the stakeholder committee and the planning commission in April 2025 and started looking at design concepts for each of these station areas. Those concepts were revised into some alternative designs that were presented at an open house and an online survey in June of 2025. And that online survey received 791 responses. So that feedback was then used to put together the preferred concepts that I will go over today. But I do want to note that these preferred concepts are just that, concepts. These are potential ways that development could occur on the site. But ultimately, what is built on the site would be, you know, of an application and entitlement process with the property owners and the city. So the exact locations of the buildings, the parking, the open spaces is again just a concept on these plans. So first is Vista Station preferred concept. So some of the principles for the Vista Station is to activate the public realm. As you know, Vista Station area already has the TSD zoning district. place that does not have a maximum density or a maximum height so what we're really looking at is you know how to create sort of a community here and as those you know we still have 1,600 dwelling units that are entitled in this area that haven't been built how when those projects come into infill do you create a place and so you know including places for people to gather you know, socialize and find a sense of community. Another principle is building an east-west pedestrian connection. So that would be, there's a proposal for a pedestrian connection over the tracks to connect to the east side. And currently you'd have to walk all the way to the south here at Vista Station Boulevard or up to 123rd South to get to the other side of the tracks. And that would provide access to the employment centers on the east side. Another principle is to incorporate small-scale retail. You can see that in some of these markets. That would provide retail and restaurant opportunities for the future school students at the school, future residents, and transit users. The next principle is to create a green space network, so places for people to enjoy some open space. And you can see some of that currently exists on the north side in this park. And you can just see some conceptual ideas of how that could continue along Vista Station Boulevard. And then the last one is to integrate adjacent uses to the station area. So that's looking at pedestrian improvements, along the east side of the tracks to the Jordan River, and then even eventually down to the point development. Another idea that's in this plan is the potential realignment of Vista Station Boulevard north of the Vista Station area, which you can see in this bottom right graphic. And we really heard from the public that separating the park is dangerous, and so this plan recommends looking into the alignment of that road so that the park would not be separated by the road and the traffic coming into the station area. This is a rendering just showing what that infill could look like with existing buildings, parking areas being filled in with new buildings. a pedestrian area and then a connection to the pedestrian overpass over the front runner line. Now moving on to Kimball's Lane Station area. The first principle is manage future transitions in existing agricultural lands. So we do know that the Kimball's Junction Development Agreement has been approved and that would be for densities of 25 to 27 dwelling units per acre. And this really calls for just continuing to work on that process and create sort of a neighborhood in that location. The second principle is better utilize UTA-owned land. And so you can see here, UTA currently has the two parking lots. And this would allow UTA to begin looking at potential redevelopment of their parking area. The next principle is to improve Porter Rockwell Trail access and wayfinding. We heard from the public that it can get confusing here at the intersection of Kimball's Lane and 700 East. Then the next two principles are about safe routes to schools and filling in sidewalks. So there currently exist sidewalk gaps on 700 East and Kimball's Lane, and really looking at how we can fill those in and ensure a safe pedestrian environment for the students. And then the last principle is looking at this neighborhood down to the south on the east side of 700 East and the south side of the tracks and looking at a plan for the redevelopment of that area and working with that neighborhood to see what their vision is for that triangle. So this next graphic is a conceptual layout for the agricultural land near Kimball's Lane Station. This, you know, we asked our consultant to look into, you know, how the principles and what we heard from the public could be accommodated with the density that was approved by the development agreement. And so this is, again, one potential way that that layout could occur. This has a density of 25 dwelling units per acre. It looks at one-, two-, and three-bedroom units. You know, we heard from the neighborhood They didn't want density right next to their homes, so it steps down density at the edges. And it really looks at creating a neighborhood with a clear circulation network, sidewalks, front porches, and some meaningful open spaces. And then in the right corner, you can see the potential UTA redeveloped parking lot site. And then you can also see the dashed line up here that's looking at the potential for straightening Kimball's Lane to meet 700 East. And then this is a rendering showing the potential on the UTA parking lot on Long 700 East. And then finally the Crescent View Station. So half of the station area is within Draper City and half is within Sandy City. You can see on this map that the majority of the area is, you know, established single-family neighborhoods. And really the only site that had any potential to even look at was the Harmon's Groceries site. So what we did, or the principles for this area are neighborhood stabilization, so not encouraging infill that's not appropriate with the existing single-family housing. allowing future opportunities at the Harman's grocery store site and 114 south improvements. And so you can see on the bottom right of this image just a potential of what could happen at the Harman's site over time if the Harman's property owner wished to proceed with anything in the future. We're not proposing any zoning changes here, but We wanted to look at what the potential could be in the future. So you can see how a potential mixed-use building could be put on the site with some housing above, buffered from the residential behind it, and still maintaining retail on the ground floor and continuing the Harman's grocery store at the southern end of the site. We have had conversations with Harman's, and they're not interested in any changes At this time, they're happy with the way that the shopping center is working, but they do understand that, you know, 20 years down the line, you know, things could change. And then this is just a rendering showing what the potential for that site could be. The Planning Commission heard this item on August 28th and recommended approval on a vote of four to zero. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT FROM DESIGN WORKSHOP, CHRIS GEDDES, AND ALSO DAN CAULEY WITH FARAM PEERS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBERS? MAYOR, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE KIMBLES LANE SECTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT HIGH-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THERE, THAT THOSE WOULD BE OWNER-OCCUPIED Would that be a part of the plan, or would that just be part of the development agreement? The development agreement. Okay. But we based the plan, the density level on that concept, which is uniquely at least half the density of any other stationary plant. Every other one's been 50 units or acre or more. Okay, thank you. We have to do this, right? This one's one of those that has to get approved or else. All three of them. Yeah. But your point was that would be with our. Right. I just want to make sure that that was not missed. I really appreciate this realignment option of Kimball's. How can we move forward with making that closer to a reality? I don't know all the steps but I think it begins conversations with UDOT and UTA about what, If it's feasible, if closing that intersection to the south would meet the requirements of reducing the number of crossings, working with our engineering department as well. I find this area of the roadway to be the most concerning in terms of sight lines and risk to pedestrians. I think if we could straighten that out, it would really alleviate some of those traffic concerns. That's definitely what we heard from the public as well. I think that needs to be a number one priority. Anybody else? I think it needs to be a number one priority. And based upon the concept that we've executed with ownership, which is what everybody wants, UDOT needs to work on that. UDOT needs to put some money into making that work. So this is what they want. This is a concern for me because we don't have a lot of choice about these stationary plans. As Mr. Green was saying, we are forced under HB 462 to approve these or suffer pretty severe consequences. I think we also need to see the state doing their part. to make these more amenable and fit better within our communities. And I think that can't be said loudly or frequently enough. I think it needs to be something that gets back to our legislature. Like if you're making us do these, where are you in this game? Like you also have to have some accountability here. Make it safe. All right, any other comments? Todd, anything else from you? All right, this is a public hearing. It's item 5A, ordinance 1670. Are there people here who would like to make comment on this item? Anyone? All right. Come on up. Give us your name and address. And you can let everyone know who you're with. Go ahead, Paxton. Go ahead. Thank you. Paxton Guyman, General Counsel with Edge Homes here in Draper. We are now the owners of the 20 acres of agricultural land in the Kimball's area plan. And we agree with you completely that it's time to lock arms with the city and try to get the state to step up with some money. We already know that it's part of their long-term plan to expand 700 East. And I think as soon as the stationary plan is approved, we can get past this step. That's when we need to zero in. We're already in conversation with some of the senior housing officials with Governor Cox. and we're aware of some money that's already been set aside, and we want to work with the city to make that happen. 700 East, it has to be widened. It has to be widened today without our project, right? So that's an important thing for us. I think it's already been said, I just think it's important that when you approve the stationary plan, you keep in mind that we already have a written, signed, recorded development agreement, so this stationary plan should not be construed to somehow supersede or amend the development agreement. But I do applaud the efforts of Chris Geddes and his team. They're firm. They've done a lot of work, these meetings and trying to come up with some consensus and identifying the issues. And that's an important part of this process. But at the end of the day, our project needs to go through now the site planning and the planning process. And we intend to do that deliberately, intentionally with the city to come up with something that works. My final comment is this. The concept plan that was shown for our property it would necessarily have very small condominium units. And we don't design to that standard. Our condominium units are designed to three-bedroom, two-bathroom units. And the reason being, those are at least 1,300 square feet. The reason being, that's what leads to a more stable community where these are owner-occupied units. People can establish roots, and it doesn't lead to a high turnover rate. We do not want our project to look or feel like a high-density apartment project. And so the design concepts that we are implementing and what you will see when we get through our process show larger condominium units, which necessarily means you have some smaller open space units. You can't have both tons of open space and larger units. But we'll work with the city to come forward with a project that will make you proud. And you can stand behind it. And I have to applaud Mayor Walker on realizing that getting an owner-occupied project approved at this density level is a much better outcome than a state mandated 50 unit per acre apartment project. And we appreciate your vision and your cooperation. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else would like to make a general or a public comment on this item? Item 1670. All right. Seeing no further public comment, I'll close the public hearing and bring us back to the council. Council members. I just want to point out for the purpose of our audience tonight that there are some roads within our city that we do not control. So 700 East being one of them, 123rd being another, those are UDOT roads. So we do not have a lot of authority over expanding them, making traffic changes, realignment. And that makes some of these projects more difficult because the impact of these projects will impact these roads that we cannot improve. TO MY POINT THAT WE NEED TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO GET THESE ROADS UP TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. ANYBODY ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION? MR. MAYOR. MR. GREEN. I MOVE WE ADOPT ORDINANCE 1670. I MOTION BY MR. GREEN TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 1670 OR SECOND. I'LL SECOND. IS THAT TASHA? NO. SORRY. Ms. Johnson, all right. Any further discussion on the item? Mr. Green, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Faudrey? Yes. Item is approved, enums five to zero. I would like to just say one thing just for the benefit of the public with respect to these stationary plants. This is one of the single probably biggest erosion projects INTO THE LAND USE AUTHORITY OF CITY GOVERNMENT. THIS PARTICULAR STATION AREA PLAN BUSINESS CAME ABOUT THROUGH SEVERAL YEARS OF BATTLE AT THE LEGISLATURE WITH RESPECT TO THE HOUSING CRISIS. AND DEPENDING ON WHICH LEGISLATOR YOU TALK TO OR WHICH GOVERNOR YOU TALK TO, THE HOUSING CRISIS IS PRIMARILY OUR FAULT. WHEN I SAY OUR FAULT, I MEAN CITY GOVERNMENTS. WE'RE THE CAUSE. If you get into a room with them, they'll tell you it's all the city with too much regulation, too many NIMBYs, too many people that won't let the land get developed. Now, of course, you all know that we're not the 100% cause. We might have some influence, but this is the beginning of and hopefully the end of land use authority erosion at our legislative level. But this is absolutely a preemption of local land use authority. That's exactly what it is. There's not a... DEVELOPER THAT'S LOBBIED THE LEGISLATURE THAT WON'T TELL YOU WITH A SMILE THAT THIS IS PREEMPTING LOCAL LAND USE AUTHORITY, BECAUSE THAT'S STRAIGHT UP WHAT IT IS. THE PENALTIES ARE SIGNIFICANT. IF WE DIDN'T GET THESE APPROVED BY OCTOBER, SO NEXT MONTH, THE PENALTIES START AT 500 A DAY FOR THE FIRST YEAR, THEN THEY GO TO 1,000 A DAY, WHICH IS REALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF TWO POLICE OFFICERS OR TWO FIREFIGHTERS EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN A FINE. And then they have the ability to reduce the amount of road money that we get to fix potholes and things in the road. So it's a stick. There's not a lot of carrot. Mostly it's a stick. But it's a half-mile circle. And so these council members are really in the box here. And the legislature has put us squarely here. This is the legislative mandate. This is not a concept that was conceived by local government. In other states, I can tell you I'm the president of the League of Cities and Towns this year, and my reign is about over, thankfully, a couple of weeks. But in talking to league presidents in other states, this is a mild rendition of it. In California, for example, in these stationary plans, they don't have to provide parking at all. It's not a consideration. So they could do 50, 70, 80 units an acre. AND PROVIDE ZERO PARKING AS PART OF THE PLAN. FORTUNATELY WE STILL CAN REQUIRE PARKING AND SOME SENSIBLE WAY TO WHATEVER DEGREE IT IS OF WORKING. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATE EDGE HOMES IN PAXTON AND STEVE MADDOX FROM EDGE COMING IN HERE AND I KNOW YOU'D RATHER IT BE THE FARMLAND AND IF WE HAD OUR AUTHORITY IT WOULD BE BUT TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE LOWER DENSITY THAT IS OWNED IS UNIQUE. It is something that the state is interested in, seeing it's a model they want to move forward with, which I like better than 50 or 70 or 80 units per acre of rental property. The project will have condos. It'll have townhomes. It'll all be owned. It'll be deed restricted, so it won't be Black Rocks not coming in here and buying this thing and renting them all out. It'll be an opportunity, they say, for the missing middle starter homes. I still think these condos will be fairly expensive, but they'll be cheaper than... But it's an opportunity for our kids, our relatives that want to live in Draper to have a spot to start a condo or townhome. So anyway, I'll cut my speech shorter. I could go on about this for a long time because it's been a long battle. And every year, every session, we have more erosion at local land use authority. Some of it makes sense. Some of it doesn't. But anyway, that's it. So thank you. Item number 5B is next. It's public hearing ordinance number 1671. It's an ordinance approving a development agreement amendment for approximately 1.3 acres of city-owned property located at approximately 12742 South Moose Hollow Drive and 12761 Costanza Way, otherwise known as the War Horse Ranch, War Horse Ranch development agreement. First amendment staff report by Todd Taylor. Go ahead, Todd. War Horse. Go ahead. Thank you. This is the location of the area. It's south of Relation Street and it's bisected by the Draper Canal Trail. This is an aerial showing the subject properties of the development agreement in yellow and the city-owned property in red. This amendment would allow the city to convey some of the city-owned properties to the property owners. of the development agreement. It would retain the detention basin and the Draper Canal Trail portions and it would retain access easements over those properties that are being conveyed. This is an exhibit from the development agreement showing parcel A is the detention basin parcel that the city would retain and parcel B is the canal trail parcel that the city would maintain, and then parcels C, D, and E would be conveyed to the property owners. That concludes my presentation, and I'm available if you have any questions. Any questions for Mr. Taylor? I do have a question. Could you just explain why we're doing a conveyance and not a purchase of this property? So I don't know if I have the best answer on that, but I think it's just the process that's been happening. Some of this property was conveyed to the city for right of way. They're on the left side. The southern part, it was a long piece by part of the subdivision to the east. We had done the development agreement with these property owners to split these two lots into a total of four. Some access issues had come up, and so as a way of resolving that, we were looking into how to do that as well as know these are sort of city quasi right-of-ways but not really and the city doesn't or it's the city staff's position that we would rather not have them anymore and then if the applicant can if we can convey them to the applicant then and their development can go through then they will be required to improve them to a better condition and that would provide better access to our detention basin. I don't know if that completely answered the question, but. I think what you're saying is we don't own them in, we didn't acquire them in fee simple. Right. In other words, they were dedicated to us. That's correct. So typically, yeah, so typically we don't sell something if we've acquired it in that manner. That's a better answer. I was going through the thought process of how we got there. So I apologize. All right. Any other questions for Mr. Taylor? All right. This is a public hearing, Ordinance 1671. Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on 5B? All right. Seeing no public comment, I'll close the public hearing and bring us back to the council. Mr. Mayor, I move we adopt Ordinance 1671. I motion by Mr. Green to adopt Ordinance 1671. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Foddery. Is there any further discussion? All right. Hearing none, Mr. Green, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Foddery? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. The item is approved unanimously 5-0. 5C is our next item. It's also a public hearing. It's Ordinance 1672. It's an ordinance Draper City amending the text of the Land Use and Development Code for Draper City Municipal Code relating to preschool limited use. We're going to have Jen. Yes, hello. Okay, so this deals with home-based businesses, home-based preschools. Currently, they are allowed subject to a conditional use permit in all of our residential zones. The code allows up to 10 students per session with a maximum of two sessions per day. And then for home-based businesses, they're allowed to have one employee who does not live at the home. That's for all of our home-based businesses. The Utah Department of Health and Human Services has a different standard. They allow up to eight kids with one caregiver and up to 16 kids with two caregivers. So we're proposing to change the code to align with the state rules. Right now where we allow the 10 kids, but you can have two caregivers, they just can't go up to that 16, even though they have that second caregiver that the state will allow them. So the change would be to the definition of preschool limited, just changing that number from 10 to 16. All right, any questions for Jen? All right, hearing no questions. This is a public hearing, it's ordinance 1672. Anyone from the public that would like to address the council on this item? All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close. Come on, there's one. Come on up. Give us your name and address, that'll start your time. My name is Bree Dance. I live at 11507 South Sweetgrass Court in Draper. Guess I just introduced myself. I'm here to speak as a parent of a child who would be impacted negatively by these changes. The proposed ordinance change on preschool limited use has a very real impact on families like mine. My child attends Miss Jen's Sunshine Program and it is not just child care. It is a high quality preschool that brings neighborhood kids and families together. She provides a nurturing environment that builds both academic readiness and community connection. Having recently moved here from Texas, I can say that families there often paid much more for preschool and yet the quality here in home preschools like hers, thanks to Miss Jen, is as good if not better and far more affordable for families like mine who are pinch paying incredibly high housing costs. Restricting her ability to serve the community by limiting class sizes in a home-based preschool could force providers like her to close, which would be a real loss to Draper families. I ask that you consider not just the technical zoning language, but the impact this change would have on real children and parents who rely on her program like mine. Thank you. I just want to make sure I understood what you said. You're advocating for the increase in kids. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to make a public comment on this item? 1672. My name is Jennifer O'Neill, and my address is 11501 South 700 West, and I am in favor of the change, and I am one of the few in-home preschool providers in Draper. I believe there are two, Jen? Are there two licensed providers in Draper? Of the preschools, I think that there are two. And so there's not a lot of us here. And I also wanted to take a moment to thank our city manager and my local representative from my area for hearing about this and for meeting with me and looking at this and taking their time to try to make a positive change. And I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else like to make a public comment? My name is James Jensen, 369 West Clintwood Drive in Draper. I have a son that attends Ms. Jen's preschool, and I have an older son. We went a more traditional route with preschool. It costs us a lot more money. It's a different time, different job. And where I'm at now, we would be hurt tremendously. We wouldn't be able to do a preschool option if she had to close because these changes weren't adopted. And it's something that we, as a family, as a community, from other parents I've talked with who attend, they also are in favor. And we're just really grateful for Ms. Jen's passion for what she's done for our son. He lights up when he sees her in the community. We love that it's a community preschool that fills small, it feels like he gets the one-on-one attention that he needs for his development, for his growth, for his education. He's absolutely being set up to transition to kindergarten in the next year very nicely because of it. We're just really grateful for programs like that where you don't see a lot of those types of preschools. They're bigger companies or They're blended more with daycares or it feels more like your child's going through a machine instead of having that individualized care. When Ms. Jen sees us out in the community, she knows my son's name. He knows her and just his reaction, how he lights up. He doesn't light up for anyone. He's really shy. And just seeing that, I know that she's doing things the right way. that he's not being impacted negatively in any way because of his experience in her preschool. So I wanted to add my thoughts and share that contribution. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else? All right, I see no one else. We'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council. Mr. Mayor, I have a question to Jan on this. I'm assuming with this definition, that it's automatically assumed that you follow the state guideline that if you have over eight, then you have a second teacher? Yes. That doesn't need to be defined here? Correct. So when they come in, they're going to have approvals with the state that they have to go through that will prove whether they have a second care provider, whether they can have the eight or the 16. I think the state has spacing standards as well. FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW LARGE THE PRESCHOOL IS, AND THEN THEY DO HAVE TO COME THROUGH US. OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS FOR THESE TYPES OF USES CONCENTRATE MORE ON PARKING DROP-OFF PLANS, HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT THEN, JEN. SO WE DO HAVE A PLAN OR RESTRICTIONS FOR DROP-OFF, PICKUP, THE CUEING OF THE CARS. SO, YEAH, WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WE ASK THEM to lay out their drop-off pickup plan. So depending on each individual conditional use permit, it may be different depending on the roads, their driveway, that kind of thing. But we do ask for a plan. We do evaluate that. So if there wasn't a way to mitigate that, would that control how many children were allowed to be in a particular school? Or does this just apply to everyone? It could, yeah. So Planning Commission, when they're looking at conditional use permits, they're looking at are there detrimental effects and can those be mitigated? So if they determined that with 16 kids, the drop-off, pick-up, the traffic couldn't be mitigated, they could reduce the number. Okay, because I lived in a cul-de-sac with a preschool. And I can tell you that there was a couple times a day that you couldn't get out of your driveway or leave. So I am really concerned about almost doubling. I'm sure it's a wonderful school. I have no doubt about that. Obviously, everybody loves it. I just want to make sure that the neighborhood survives if we do. Yeah, and if we had one that was on a cul-de-sac, we could look at it. you know, that's going to have a very different impact traffic-wise than if it's a three. Okay, thank you. Yeah, it's a conditional use, right? So it's a C on the zoning table, and they have to get the CEP passed by the Planning Commission. Yes. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion. Go ahead. I move that we adopt Ordinance 1672. Motion by Mr. Green to adopt Ordinance 1672. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Johnson. Any further discussion? All right, hearing none, Mr. Green, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Vaudrey? Yes. Items approved unanimously, five to zero. That takes us to item 5D. This is also a public hearing. It's Ordinance 1673, and it is an ordinance approving the Big Willow Creek Six Development Agreement Amendment for approximately... 9.3 acres of property located approximately 11670 South Wildfield Way, with River City staff reporting by Marianne Pickering. Go ahead, Marianne. Thank you. This property is located on the western portion of the city. For reference, this is the front runner line here, and this is 700 West. This is a detailed view of the property. It's known as Big Willow Creek. This is phase five, and this is the rest of the subdivision that's been built. The land use on this is residential medium density, and the zoning is R4. This is the sixth DA amendment to the Big Willow Creek original development agreement, and this is to modify two of those lots in phase five. The original agreement required 20,000 square foot lots that backed up to Big Willow Creek. And due to the way that Jensen Farms was built to the south, Ivory Homes now needs to put in a cul-de-sac, and so that's really reducing the size of one of the lots. And then one of the other lots is being reduced because they've dedicated some land to the city for a trail and also for utilities for sewer. So only two of the lots that were originally planned to be 20,000 will be less. This is the graphic that will be modified. This is the original agreement that required the 20,000 square foot lots. This is the modified exhibit that will go in this sixth amendment. This is where the cul-de-sac will be built. So you can see that one's being reduced to 14,700. And then this little strip is where the trail has been dedicated. And that one will be reduced to 18,900. This is the proposed layout of the subdivision just for reference. And you can see that by adding the cul-de-sac, those do eat up a lot of space so that they have the adequate turnaround for fire trucks or garbage trucks. And then this is where the trail will be dedicated. Last week, the Planning Commission did forward you a positive recommendation on this modification with the unanimous vote. And I'm happy to answer any questions you have. Questions? Could you just go back a slide to show the cul-de-sac? So it was lot 513 in that other area that zoned at the 13,000? Right. The 20,000 ones would be the 506 down here all the way down to 512. Those were the ones required to be 20 originally. Thank you. Any other questions? All right. This is a public hearing, Ordinance 1673. It's renewed from the public that we'd like to address the council on Ordinance 1673. All right. I see no one looking to make public comment. We'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council. Mr. Mayor. Go ahead. I move we adopt Ordinance 1673. Motion by Ms. Faudrey to adopt Ordinance 1673. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Mr. Lowry. Any further discussion? All right, hearing none, Ms. Faudrey, how do you vote? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Item's approved unanimously, 5-0. Item 5E is next, also a public hearing. Ordinance 1674 and 1675 is an ordinance amending the land use map FOR .27 ACRES FROM OPEN SPACE PARKS TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND NORTH SUMMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR THE SAME PROPERTY FROM RA2 RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOCATED AT 687 WEST 12300 SOUTH KNOWN AS THE CITY INITIATED CONCORD PROPERTIES LAND USE AND ZONING MAP. GO AHEAD MR. DRAPER. THANK YOU. AS YOU MAY RECALL THIS IS THE SITE FOR SPECIALIZED MANUFACTURING. Approximately 76 West, 123rd South. The piece of property that we're looking at is this tinier spot here in the back, although the overall property is there with the dash lines there. This is just an aerial view of that. As you know, this is the piece that was sold to Concord Properties. It was not really being utilized as part of the park. BUT IT STILL RETAINED THE OPEN SPACE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE RE2 ZONING. SO THE TWO ORDINANCES HERE TONIGHT ARE TO CHANGE THAT TO THE SAME COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION AS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING. JUST A PICTURE FROM THE STREET VIEW, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS KIND OF LOCATED HERE TO THE BACK. At the Planning Commission meeting, they made a unanimous positive recommendation on both of those ordinances. And with that, are there any other questions I can help answer? Questions? All right, thank you, Chaz. This is a public hearing, Ordinance 1675. Is there anyone from the public who would like to address the council on this item? All right, seeing no one wishing to make public comment, I'll close the public comment period, bring it back to the council. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Lowry. I make a motion that we approve Ordinance 1674 and 1675. Motion by Mr. Lowry to approve 1674 and 1675. Is there a second? I'll second. All right, Ms. Johnson. Any further discussion? I think it's just good that we clean this up. PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WHEN WE SOLD THE PROPERTY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. MR. LOWERY, HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. MR. GREEN? YES. MS. LOWERY? YES. MS. VAUDERY? YES. ITEMS APPROVED. UNANIMOUSLY FIVE TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX. IT'S AN ACTION ITEM. APPROVED THE RESOLUTION 2544. IT'S A RESOLUTION DRAPER CITY COUNCIL GRANTING A QUICK CLAIM DEED RELEASING INTEREST IN A PORTION OF THE DRAPER CANAL ALIGNMENT ON 1393 East Pioneer Road. Brian Maxwell, go ahead, sir. Great. Historically, Draper's been served by three canals. This is the Draper Canal in the Green Line. It no longer carries irrigation water. Draper Irrigation Company was the one that operated it. In 2001, they transferred their interest in the canal and all of the real estate, including easements, to the city. That's when the city took over the Draper Canal alignment. In other parts of the city, we use it as trails and storm drainage facilities. Metropolitan Water District of Salt Lake and Sandy uses a significant portion of it for an aqueduct. Now this is Harmony Hills. It's located just east of 13th East on the north side of the road. This site plan was originally approved in 2016. As you can see, the canal goes right through the middle of the building. At that time, we approved demolition and removal of any remnants of the canal. This canal is not used in this area for any purpose. Now this facility is looking to change ownership. The new ownership noticed that cloud on the title. They would like the city to sign a quick claim deed releasing our interest in the canal easement. And that is what is before you today is that quick claim deed. Any questions? All right, thank you, Brian. Is there a motion? Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we approve Resolution 25-44. All right, there's a motion by Ms. Johnson to approve Resolution 25-44. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Vaudrey. Any further discussion on the motion? All right, hearing none, Ms. Johnson, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Vaudrey? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Items approved unanimously, five to zero. Are there any other items of council manager issues that anyone want to bring up? Any staff have any issues to bring up? Mr. Green? Motion to adjourn. Thank you. A motion by Mr. Green to adjourn. Is there a second? Second. Second by Ms. Lowry. All in favor of adjournment, say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? All right, we stand adjourned. Thank you.