You can't see. I'm sorry. Good evening and welcome to tonight's study session. Our discussion this evening is focused on the 2024 legislative changes. The staff presentation will be led by City Manager Michael Penny and Community Development Director Donna Ferguson. I'll go ahead and turn it over to you guys. Thank you. So we have three questions for you this evening, and hopefully we can get through those fairly quickly. I think the first two, and our city attorney is here to answer any questions as well. The first one is related to House Bill 24-13-62-62, which are as measures to promote greywater use. So greywater is the reuse of It's not black water reuse, which is toilet water, but it's like sink water, dishwasher type of things that's used for gray water for irrigation, outside irrigation and that type of thing. So the requirement for cities under this is either an adopted ordinance banning the installation of gray water treatment or adopt a building code that prevents gray water from entering the potable water system, which I sense, right? and adopt a reporting system to notify utility providers of the planned installation of those systems. So our current building code already allows for the rainwater if somebody wants to do it with the prevention of entering the potable water system. What it doesn't do is have the notification system in there. So what we're recommending that the council supportive of this is we would just amend our building code the next time we do a building code amendment to add that reporting requirement. As we put in the memo, we would put it in there. There are, yeah, there are no current plans to do Greywater. We wish there were some development plans, but there's no plans for that. So I don't see it as a critical timing issue. I guess the question for council would be if you actually wanted to prohibit it, then we would amend the building code and we would pass an ordinance that actually prohibited the installation of groundwater systems. So unless there's concern about just doing a future amendment to do that, a notification requirement, that would be the direction we would go. Thank you. No question. I read this, but it's been a long time. I'm all for it, but is there a cost associated with that for us? For us, no. No, not at all. Okay, good. Did your water districts have any say on that? No, this would, my guess is the actual language that I put in here is notifying certain utility providers. And I would imagine that would be either Caspine's North Metro District or Parker Water and Sand. Thank you. All right. Turn it off. That's, Council Member Cole turned his off. So I turned mine off. Thank you for joining the talk. Let's go. Okay. The next one, which I am going to rely more on Community Development Director Ferguson to help me with, is House Bill 24-1152, which is accessory dwelling units. So I'm going to jump to the punchline and then back up. Let Donna explain and potentially Linda explain a little bit what this is. So I would lump this as council has previously discussed into the state overreach on local control. That was some of this doesn't affect us because if you recall, high density requirements along transit corridors were not in that, but there was ADUs as well in it. So the recommendation here is saying that, hey, we're a home rule municipality, you know, there's some lawsuits moving in right now. I think there's five or six municipalities suing on, it's the transit one at high density, but basically sitting back and saying, based on that home rule and local land use, that we actually take no action on this right now and don't amend our code to come into compliance with the state law. as partially as we wait and see what happens with these court cases. And if there's an overreach of state control and our constitutional rights. So, but I'll turn it over to Donna to explain a little bit more about what actually House Bill 24 of them is. Yes, so this bill would permit an accessory dwelling unit by right in any single family residential that neighborhood, the process for the accessory dwelling unit would be administrative in nature. So it would be a decision that would be reviewed and approved by staff and not by Planning Commission. Right now, we do have two zone districts that permit accessory dwelling units with certain caveats. So one is in the Castle Pines Town Center. Yes, in the Castle Pines Town Center, this is the area where the Vickers property is. So in the future, accessory dwelling unit could be developed in that planned development district. as long as it meets minimum lot sizes. We also permit accessory dwelling units in the canyons, PD. Up to 250 accessory dwelling units are also permitted in that development and have been permitted, but the development pattern in the canyons is such that one cannot really fit on a lot within the canyons. So those... require those of that allowance in canyons in town center are they part of the annexation documents it's part of the zoning documents so um i i guess i i didn't know if we already did zoning i'm curious why we allow that as a zoning thing for an area that's not even being developed yet referring to makers When the city annex the property, you have to zone the property within 90 days. And that zoning document is the planned development district. And we can't go in and change that without the owner of the land, right? Not necessarily. Their vested rights have expired. Those would be vested rights. So the canyons have not expired because... because they're doing the work. Vickers has expired because they didn't do anything within the time period. It was only a 10-year vesting period. Yeah, Vickers was 10-year vesting, 40 years for the kids. So it's not related to doing the work. It's the actual term and the rate for vesting. But once you start building it- Then you have common law vesting rights. Then you have vesting rights. So yeah. Okay. Thanks. So the granny flats are really controversial, and it was really controversial as part of the bill where it was discussed both times. We had to take all the personnel. I don't have a lot of faith that the lawsuits will go through and actually make a difference. So what benefit is it for us to wait? I mean, I would love for it to have a good benefit for us. Do you believe, I guess I'm asking you as the attorney, do you have belief that if we wait... If we wait it out, then this will bail, or succeed in the courts, and therefore, we won't have to take some sort of action? Well, that's a complete way to ask that question. Yeah. Well, the lawsuit brought by the six Home Rule municipalities, including Greenwood Village and others, don't address the ADU component. So I'm not sure that decision will have a huge impact. I mean, it may have a trickle-down effect, but we probably still have to argue those facts and the legislative findings about why they determined ADUs to be a matter of local, mixed, and statewide concern. So we may have to argue that anyway in court. I think you're wrong now. Why don't you finish up? No, you're fine. Okay, so if that's not part of the lawsuit, then the recommendation doesn't seem to apply to this because recommendations let the lawsuits play out. I'm so confused. I thought I said this isn't part of the lawsuit because what the six are doing. I'm saying that That trickle-down effect, I personally think it's going to have a stronger effect because of the overreach of local control. Okay, so the concept is if they win on their local control, this will probably go into what you're saying. That's my hope. Sorry, I want to go back to what Ms. Ferguson was saying. So there's a lot size requirement before you can actually require a... Accessory dwelling unit? A DEU. Thank you. Is that right? Correct. On the Vickers property. Under the state statute? Oh, no. It's in Cheyenne. Under the state law, it's any single family dwelling lot. You can... you must approve administratively an accessory dwelling unit, whether that's attached or detached. And that's why most homeowner municipalities have really pushed back on that. Because it depends on the local infrastructure. You look at my lot, and I can't imagine how you would put an accessory dwelling unit on my lot. You probably couldn't in order to meet the setbacks. But the canyons is the one that has a minimum lot size. I'm not sure about acres. Donna might be looking for the lot size, but I think ostensibly you can't with the canyons agreement. It's really on those larger 20 acre lots. Yes. So that's really the only place that they would apply over there. Sorry, I also wanted to follow up with what Jeff said about, so if the Vickers vested is expired, is there an opportunity for us to change that out? Or is now the time to do that before something happens? So yes, they are no longer vested in their zoning. So the city can come in and propose to change that particular provision. And I just want to make it clear, the Vickers property permits up to a 1,000 square foot accessory dwelling unit on a minimum lot size. The Canyon's PD, they don't control what the lot size is, but they control the maximum square footage of the unit to 1,000. So it just kind of... fit into the lot sizes that they're doing. Their lots are very small. Yeah, and I would just say that the city has a good argument, as do some other communities that we have addressed ADUs in a very thoughtful approach, right, in cooperation with future developers and landowners. And therefore, we shouldn't be tied to these state law mandates in terms of of allowing ADUs as an administrative approval process with no input from neighbors or council. And even if we did allow it, we still have many HOAs that already say no to accessory dwelling units. So then it would be not only just a battle at the local control level, but also at the HOA level? Correct. Although I believe that this new bill, this law, supersedes H.O.A. questions. But they're going to, I would assume, fight that. I don't think so. They can't fight the law? Yeah. But there's no chance. That's what you're saying on that one. I think so. Okay. All right. That's good information. For clarity's sake, tell me what your recommendation is then for what appears. that we not amend DeMarco. I've heard multiple things, but to Corey's point, would you suggest that maybe we deal with the Baker's situation and change the zoning while we have an opportunity? Or use one? I think we maintain the status quo. I mean, I think unilaterally amending a plan development zoning document has its own challenges. I mean, the property owner may not agree. And so we're saying that we want to superimpose our requirements on that property owner. We may get a legal challenge from the property owner itself. So no, I don't think I'd recommend that at this point. And I would just add on it, not for this conversation, but there are other conversations happening with the property owner that we could do it in a public-private partnership fashion, not through council legislative action, but through the PDE, through the zoning amendment in partnership with other developments. So council comfortable staying the course of our current word list? Okay. All right. Let me just say too, I don't think it really impacts any pending grants for state funding. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we have one straight grant, as I think Council's aware, under 123, and that is for the affordable housing expedited process. That was a $100,000 project, 80,000 grant, 24-hour match, and that's already in process. I don't know if we've got any reimbursement for it, but I'm not concerned that it's invested. All right, the last one, which is probably good we had a little more time here. is Senate Bill 24-1341, prohibiting carrying firearms in sensitive places. So what the law did was outlaw the opening concealed carry of firearms, even if done pursuant to a valid concealed permit, is prohibited on the property or within any building in which the chamber, so the council chambers now, the official office of the CEO, such as the city manager's located or in your municipal court. And so the council, if they wanted to allow it in those places, these locations I just mentioned, they would have to opt out. And so we did a little research in here and interestingly, at least it was interesting to me, the Douglas County Library opted out. so you can carry your concealed or open firearm in any Douglas County Library in Douglas County. A lot of Douglas's in there. Judge White, your municipal judge, does not support firearms in the courtroom. But as I put in the staff memo, regardless, common law allows judges to set their own rules within a courtroom. So if you were to go ahead and opt out and allow firearms, I would expect that he will promulgate rules. to prohibit them during the court proceedings, which would be his discretion. Did chat with city staff. There is concern. You all know that we have, since we were in this building, had bulletproof glass and bulletproof doors to protect our frontline staff if something, God forbid, ever happens. So the staff would be more comfortable if we did not opt out and specifically stated that guns were not allowed, firearms were not allowed within units 200 and 212. And then if council wanted to stay in, because we leased these spaces, would be to pass a resolution that would specifically identify this location during council meetings, during the planning commission meetings or parks board meetings and those kind of things. So this is really a question for all of you. I believe probably should have done additional research. Castle Rock has opted out. The county has opted out. I'm not sure about Lone Tree or Parker. Do you know about Lone Tree? Lone Tree has not. Has not opted out. Just so you know what our neighbors have been doing. Has Lone Tree chosen not to opt out or they just haven't done anything yet? To the... To the extent you're not giving up privilege information, apparently. I've used that many times myself. And if you can't answer. I know that I can answer that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir. Just background on the laborers' position. That was an exceedingly heartfelt decision not to go, not to offer. Oh, you were on the board? It was a long night. It was a real long night. The main reason they chose not to do it is they did not believe it was enforcement with seven libraries scattered over the county and all the different avenues of access and everything. Bob just felt like that he wasn't going to do something that he didn't think he could enforce. And he didn't want to train all of his staff or nothing. Well, I think that should be called. Appreciate that. Parker did opt out. Just do my little research right here. I'm sorry. Parker did opt out. Thank you. So we'll We'll do whichever council wants to do. If you want to opt out, we would bring an ordinance before the council. No, I'm sorry, a resolution. Is it a resolution? An opt-out or an ordinance? I think we can do an ordinance. Whatever it is. You bring something. We bring an action before the council. I think you need to. It needs to be a vote. I'm in favor of opting out. Let's do three. Board. Okay. All right. Um, that is it. And there, thank you very much through. So we will bring, um, the ordinance to opt out of, uh, Senate bill 24, 1341. Um, we will take no action on house bill 24, level 52. And then for the building code, the next time we will just add the, uh, reporting system when we update the building code. Okay. So thanks, Mary. Appreciate it. All right. We will go ahead and take a break and we will come back for our regular business meeting at 630. Good evening, council, citizens, and staff. I call the October 14th, 2025 City Council meeting to order at 6.30 p.m. Mayor Duffy, please follow up. Mayor Guzman, here. Mayor Kertan Ubex. Present. Council Member Mulvey is absent and excused. Council Member Cole. Here. Council Member Salazar. Present. Council Member Blue. Here. Council Member Hudson. Here. Madam Mayor, you have a quorum. Thank you. When everyone sees Rice and Blaine, please. To the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Next item on our agenda is the approval of the agenda. Are there any amendments to the agenda? Hearing none, the agenda will be approved as presented. Moving on to public comment. Public comment is designed for you to share your thoughts and concerns with City Council, but it's not an interactive discussion. 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When your time is up, the timer light will flash red and the timer will give an alarm. Although, again, the format for public comment does not allow for an interactive dialogue with counsel, we do listen and consider every comment as your feedback is very important to us. Clerk Duffy, we call the first person. Lori Ball, if you'd like to approach the podium and press the button for the green light and start with your name and address for the record, please. Sign on? Yes. Lori Ball, 15 Greenmont Court. So first, I'm here to ask that the council vote to move agenda item 7A from consent to general business agenda this evening. And second, I overall urge you to postpone any firm doing economic development until the mayor and council are seated in January 2026. Because several seats were up for grab. So the rationale is as follows. I have four reasons. One, council, did you know that Consent and agenda items like 7A, you won't even see a public comment unless you're here to make it verbally or online to give it. Until next week, you'll see those. We had several people that sent them in and they were told they would not be viewed until next week. Written and submitted comments to the city clerk are due the Wednesday before the Tuesday meeting. However, no one in the public even sees the agenda until Friday. You know, to me, this is just insane. It's almost like you expect us to have a crystal ball that says, okay, on Friday and two more days, there's going to be this item on the agenda, not a comment before the agenda even comes out. And these, because they have to be submitted within two days before that happens. So to me, this is insane. And with that knowledge alone, you need to push 7a to a discussion item. Second, Page 21 in the project schedule. This will all be wrapped up by January 2026. And before an updated comprehensive plan as well. And then there could be a new mayor, a new council members taking office that will have to implement this plan. And they had no say in this process whatsoever. And I would venture a guess that all council would say the number one issue for our city in the next four years, next two years, the next year is economic development. So why cut them out of this process? Third, the individuals who made decisions about the RFP or the city manager were the current mayor, Mayor Ingerman and District Rep Corey Salazar, who may not even be in office. They're up for reelection. Why rush this through? Four, the new council for 2026 will have an unimposed person running who is a resident of the Canyons. This is the first time you have ladies in the audience. They're from the Canyons. This, to me, is so exciting. And no offense to the two people I've been representing the canyons, but I think it's great to have somebody who actually lived, works, and plays in the canyons representing them. So I think he needs to be seated as well. So I'm hoping Nate's here this evening to listen to this. I encouraged him to come. So our biggest commercial area is the canyons. We all know that. So overall, I encourage you and ask that you postpone approving any professional services agreements between the city and heirs associates until the next elected mayor and new council members take their position in January of 2026. As always, I want to tell each of you, I really appreciate your service and I always appreciate you listening to my comments and feedback. Thank you. Thank you. And the next person, Whitney Shank, if you'd like to start with your name and address for the record, please. Whitney Schenck, 7437 Village Square Drive. My name is Whitney Schenck and I'm the Executive Director of the Castle Page Chamber of Commerce. On behalf of the Chamber, I want to formally express our strongest support of moving forward to update the economic development plan for the city. The Chamber believes it will be beneficial and support our current and future businesses and provide clarity and direction for the city staff and community. We support the city's focus on intentional growth, strong design standards, and business-friendly processes. Our members are not just business owners, they are residents and investors who care about the long-term success of Castle Pines. And having this clarity and direction will do just that. When the city has clear direction, it makes it easy for businesses to open, operate, and feel confident investing here. That directly strengthens our local economy and community life. A strong, connected business community makes this strong city And moving forward to update the economic development plan provides a solid path forward. This is why the chamber is in favor of updating the economic development plan as soon as possible. Thank you. Any additional questions? Doug Gilbert. Doug, if you'll start with your name and address for the advert, please. Good evening, Mayor, members of council and staff. I'm Doug Gilbert, 6947 Walford Place in Castle Pines, Colorado. I'm here to speak also on item 7A. My first point is at the very least, this should not be on the consent agenda. So there should be a certain amount of discussion on this. Secondly, I'll get to some of the points of that, or third point, I will, but I think you should postpone this as Ms. Wall has indicated until next year. If you need to spend money this year for the budget, I'll talk about a way you can do that, I think, fruitfully and sensibly, but not with this proposal. This is really not an economic development proposal. Now, why do I know that? Well, I've written and delivered three of them for a county and a city in Wyoming, so I know what they look like. This is a retail market study. And how do I know that? Well, I looked into the data that they said they were going to use. This is a retail market study. These are the types of things that I would propose, say, to a credit union about where to locate a branch. That's not the kind of data that I would use, which is basic economic data plus consumer trend data to do an economic development study. So it's the wrong data set. The way the proposal is formatted, I would never even let it get out of my email box to a client. I'm sorry if I'm offending somebody here that has worked with this company, but this is not the type of proposal you should be seeing. What's missing? There is no real methodology. I've worked for Ernst & Young, Capgemini. I work with PricewaterhouseCoopers. I've hired them. I know when you see a proposal, there needs to be a methodology. There's none. Trust me, we're going to analyze this data from a retail data set, not a methodology. Second, there are no qualifications or comps of similar engagements that they've done. That should be evident in the proposal. If it's not, I would never even present the proposal. I even do that for small proposals of $20,000, $30,000. And laugh, there's no staff qualifications. How do I know that who's going to staff this and whether they're going to be confident in what they do? So I think it's time you should very least move into our general item and have some debate on it. And if you do need to spend money this year, that can happen. I understand that with the manager. Do what's called a scoping study. I've done several of those. What a scoping study will do is tell you what you need to do next. This is not a scoping study. This is a retail market study. Wrong thing, because it misses a lot or functions as a moving economy for us in the city. Thank you very much for your attention and your service as always. Thank you. Do we have anyone else signed up? We have no further persons signed up in person or online, and no one has called in. Thank you. All right, we will move on to a presentation of the minutes. Are there any corrections to the minutes from September 23rd, 2025 from the City Council meeting? Hearing none, the minutes are approved as presented. Next, we have our consent agenda. On tonight's consent agenda is Resolution 25-44, which approves a professional services agreement between the City of Castle Pines and Ayers Associates, Inc. for the Economic Development Strategic Plan. May I have a motion for the items on consent? I move we remove this item from the consent agenda 7-8. Is there a second? I'll second it. I have a motion and a second. Clerk W, please call the vote. Mayor Ingerman? Yes. Councilmember Cole? No. Councilmember Hudson? Yes. Councilmember Salazar? Yes. Councilmember Bloom? Yes. And Mayor Pro Tem Eubanks? Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. So moving that off of consent and on to our general business, it will be item 8E, the second to the last item on general business. All right, we are moving on to our first item on general business, which is our... We have to approve the rest of the consent agenda? No, that's all that was on it. All right, we have our update from the Chamber of Commerce, and you're joined by Whitney Shake. All right. Good evening, mayor and council members. Thank you for giving me a few minutes tonight to share an update of what the Castle Plains Chamber of Commerce has been working on and how we have been partnering with the city to support our local businesses in the community. First, I want to start with a sincere thank you. Your partnership on major city events like Fall Fest, Food Truck Frenzy, and Party in the Park have truly elevated the experience for residents and businesses alike. These events don't just create great community memories. They drive people directly to our businesses, directly to our business corridors, and create authentic touch points between families and locals to our friends and businesses. When the chamber and city have aligned on these community events, it gives our businesses visibility, energy, and a reason for residents to explore and connect what we have here locally. I also want to thank you for allowing me to take part in the Urban Land Institute training with city officials and community leaders. That day was incredibly valuable to me. I walked away with a new perspective on how development decisions are made, not just for big city projects, but even small commercial clusters and shopping centers. They helped me to better understand the why behind design standards, connectivity, and long-term planning. That understanding will help me better support businesses when they ask about the process and long-term vision and development in Castle Heights. Communication has also been a strong area of collaboration between the city and the chamber, along with continued updates and meetings with Michael. Lisa has recently included the chamber on three variance applications, and I wanted to express how much I appreciate being brought into those conversations early. Even though we have not had any objections, Being in the know helps us support businesses more effectively and speak knowledgeably to our members when they ask questions about development or changes within the city. We are also excited to welcome Mathnasium and Pyramids Fitness into Castle Pines, along with several upcoming tenants who are preparing to fill the other vacancies around the city. It's encouraging to see momentum in the commercial centers, and that is a direct reflection of the city staff and you as a council. So we want to thank you and express, sorry. It's a direct reflection of you guys and your commitment to our brick and mortar businesses and the vibrant, visible support that you've written. We are equally excited about the city's new blue dot shop local initiative. And I want to express the chamber's full support of that program as well. The chamber has already begun assisting with initial marketing rollout. and we'll be giving input on which businesses will benefit most from the early inclusion of this campaign. This effort has the potential to create meaningful shift in buying habits by making it easy for residents to identify, support, and intentionally choose Castle Heights businesses first. A visible city-backed shop local program, especially with the city and chamber working side by side, will not only drive traffic into local storefronts, but also build a sense of pride and connection between residents and our business community. I've already shared our formal support of the city to update the economic development plan. I also want to take a minute to highlight how the chamber is aligning our internal work to compliment that vision. While the city and council are doing the important work of building infrastructure, shaping commercial zones, and preparing a path for new development, the chamber is preparing our business community for the future as well. In 2026, we will launch a leadership and cultural development program in partnership with Better Culture. This will serve current business owners, rising workforce leaders, and even high school students interested in becoming future business leaders at Castle Pines. Economic development is not just about buildings, it's about people. Strong leadership, healthy teams, and confident next generations are key to retaining businesses and keeping them rooted here long-term. In closing, I want to thank you again for your continued partnership, your willingness to collaborate, to communicate openly, and to keep the business community at the table, allowing the chamber to do our work more effectively. We look forward to this continued momentum into 2026 and beyond, so thank you. Thank you. Great. Do we have any questions for Whitney? No? All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, guys. On our next item on general business, it's the public hearing, which is ordinance 25-10, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, amending Article 3 of Chapter 11 of the Municipal Code of Castle Pines to adopt by reference the 2025 edition of the Castle Pines Roadway Design and Construction Standards and adopting penalties for violations thereof on second reading. I'll open the public hearing. at 6. I see we have sheriff's office here. Did we not have a sheriff's update today? We have no sheriff's update, but they can speak on one of our public hearings. Oh, okay. Thank you. All right. So again, opening public hearing at 6.47. Our staff presentation will be given by Capital Projects Operations Manager, Jane Rowe. I'll turn it over to you, Jane. Mayor Angerman, members and council. Ordinance 2510 is an ordinance amending Article 3, Chapter 11 of the Municipal Code, to adopt by reference the 2025 edition of the Castle Pines Roadway Design and Construction Standards on second reading. The city's roadway design standards set the foundation for how infrastructure is designed, constructed, and accepted within the city. Since our initial adoption in 2022, Staff and our consulting engineers have all compiled and continue to refine and improve these standards to ensure they remain clear, consistent, and aligned with current engineering practices. The 2025 edition incorporates updated technical specifications compiled by our development engineer, review consultant, Jay Gose, and traffic signal engineers at Lighthouse. We have also included clear formatting, removal of some redundant cross-references, and integration above the current ADA website requirements. These updates are very typical throughout agencies and in general. We hope to enhance clarity and consistency and enforceability by developers, contractors, city staff. So for these reasons, the staff recommends the adoption of ordinance 2510 on second reading. And are there any questions? Thank you. My understanding is that these are all technical changes. I was looking through this and seeing that it was almost all technical changes. There's a ton of changes and it's not because of the way it had to be changed. Is that accurate? Yes, it is. Council Member Cole would you like to add? Yes, I'd like to add. Any additional questions? All right, thank you. Thank you. All right, we will move on to the public comment for the Ordinance 2510. If you'd like to give virtual public comment on Ordinance 25-10, please use the chat feature in the sign up. Window online with your name and address. If you're intending in person and would like to get public comment, please sign up on that clipboard at the back of the room. When the clerk calls your name, start with your name and address for the record. Individuals will have a three-minute time limit. Persons speaking for a group will have a five-minute time limit. Clerk Duffy, do we have anyone signed up this evening? We do not have anyone signed up in person, online, and no one has called in. All right. I will close public comment at 6.50. I have a motion to begin discussion. I move to adopt ordinance 2510 and ordinance of the city council of the city of Castle Pines, Colorado. Mending article three of chapter 11 of the municipal code of Castle Pines to adopt by reference the 2025 edition of the Castle Pines roadway design and construction standards and adopting penalties for violations thereof on second reading. Second. A motion and a second. We'll begin with you, Council Member Saddles-Ark. I just want to thank Jay for this presentation. I appreciate that this has become going to be more efficient, more effective, more streamlined, easier to read, and obviously in accordance with the municipal code or the standards that you are working to get our code up to higher standards. Thank you. That's all I have. Council Member Holt. Any additional comments? All right, let's have you. Go ahead and have the vote. Council Member Salazar. Yes. Council Member Bloom. Aye. Council Member Cole. Yes. Council Member Hudson. Yes. Mayor Ingerman. Yes. Mayor Pertembe-Banks. Aye. The motion passes. Thank you. I'll close the public hearing at 6.52 p.m. Next is our public hearing for Ordinance 25-11, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Caspines, Colorado, repealing and reenacting Chapter 8 of the Municipal Code entitled Vehicles and Traffic, adopting by reference the 2024 edition of the Model Traffic Code for Colorado, with certain amendments adopting penalties for violations thereof and establishing vehicle idling standards on second reading. Open the public hearing. At 6.52 p.m., our staff presentation will be given by Public Works Director Larry Nimmo. Good evening. So this is basically what we had is the Douglas County Sheriff met with us early in the spring and requested that we bring our code, the existing code, and the ordinance with it. Existing code is 2020, so we're bringing it up to 2024. This provides greater consistency for them, law enforcement, that's why. We wanted to make sure we, in case there was anything, but to make sure that they can use the same thing that works across, whether in the Castle Pines or outside Douglas County. So, and then the idling, it's in the staff memo. So it tells you what we're doing there. So it's not the big trucks. So it's pretty basic. It was just, we just moved up the new code. So. All right. Council members, do you have any questions for staff? Council Member Hudson. I do, and it may involve the Sheriff's Department. So compliance for this, how are you, are you monitoring vehicles? Are you, it's just in case you find one that is idling, maybe where, how are you monitoring those? Yeah, thank you. Good evening. We monitor just proactive policing and calls for service. There's two types of tickets here. First ticket's $150 a sentence. are fine and the second one would be a 500 dollar fine how often is this a problem in custom funds um i don't know that it's a problem yet but it was just updating it to me thank you any additional questions all right thank you thank you Go ahead and open the public comment at 6.54. If you'd like to give virtual public comment on ordinance 25-11, please use the chat feature to sign up with your name and address. If you are attending in person and would like to give public comment, please sign up on the clipboard at the back of the room. When the clerk calls your name, start with your name and address for the record. Individuals will have a three-minute time limit. Persons speaking for a group will have a five-minute time limit. First, Debbie, do we have anyone signed up? We do not have anyone signed up in person, online, and no one has still called in. Right, thank you. And we will now close public comment at 6.55 PM. May I have a motion to begin discussion, please? I, hold on a second. I move to adopt Ordinance 2511, Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines. repealing and re-admitting Chapter 8 of the Municipal Code entitled Vehicles and Traffic, adopting by reference the 2024 edition of the Model Traffic Code for Colorado with certain amendments adopting penalties for violations thereof, and establishing vehicle idling standards on the second reading. Second. We'll have a motion and a second. Council Member Salza, I'll stop you. I appreciate that the Sheriff's Office came and already answered questions. I'm glad it's not an issue because I know, of course, the hiring of those big trucks can be quite noxious. So thank you for being here and clarifying that and for being proactive and getting that up to date with all the other municipalities. So thank you. Council Member Hudson. Thank you. Always. You're such great partners. We appreciate that. Thank you for showing up tonight, both of you as well. Thank you, Larry. As always, thank you on the city. So I'm so excited. We're so willing to work with our law enforcement if you're willing to come. So this just makes sense. Additional comments? Seeing none, Clerk Duffy, go ahead and call the vote, please. Mayor Pro Tem Eubanks. Aye. Council Member Hudson. Yes. Council Member Cole. Yes. Council Member Bloom. Aye. Aye. Mayor Ingerman? Yes. Council Member Salazar? Yes. So motion passes. Thank you. All right. We're going to close public hearing at 6.57 p.m. Next item on the agenda is our public hearing for Resolution 25-45, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, approving the Canyonside Preliminary Plan Number 1, First Amendment. City case number PP-2025-001. I'll open the public hearing at 6.57 p.m. Our staff presentation will be given by Senior Planner Lisa from Hilded. Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council. For your consideration, tonight is a resolution that would approve a preliminary plan amendment known as Canyonside Donor Plan Number 1, First Amendment. The applicant and property owner is North Canyon's Development Company. Next slide, please. All right, so we'll begin the meeting tonight with a staff overview followed by a detailed presentation by the applicant, and then there'll be an opportunity for questions and answers, and this will be followed by City Council opening a public hearing. The City Council will then make a motion and make deliberation on the application. Next slide, please. So before jumping into the specific preliminary plan amendment, I just want to address what a preliminary plan is. So a preliminary plan represents the first of two steps for plotting property into lots, streets and tracks for future development. This is not a zoning application. The zoning including the approved land uses density that has already been established at the time or before filing a preliminary plan application. A preliminary plan application is going to look at the geological hazards, wildlife habitat and corridors, environmentally sensitive areas, sources of required services like water, sanitation, law enforcement services, vehicular and pedestrian circulation, as well as the relationship to surrounding land uses. Then following a preliminary plan application, there are subsequent final plot applications that actually legally subdivide the property and final plot applications are also subject to city council approval. Next slide, please. So preliminary plan is evaluated on seven different approval criteria, and it does require that the planning commission reviews and makes a recommendation to city council. And those criteria include that the preliminary plan be in conformance with the goals, objectives, and policies of the Castle France Comprehensive Plan for number two and three, that the subdivider provides evidence for water and sanitation. Next slide. Next slide, sorry, I think I went back. Number four, that the subdivider has provided evidence showing that any soil involving topographical conditions or presenting hazards or requiring special precautions has been identified and the proposed uses of these areas are compatible with such conditions. Number five, the subdivider has provided adequate drainage improvements. Number six, significant cultural, archeological, natural, and historical resources, as well as unique landforms have been protected. And number seven, necessary services, including fire, police protection, recreation utilities, open space, and a transportation system are available to serve the proposed subdivision. Next slide, please. So here we have a vicinity map of the property subject to the preliminary plan amendment. The properties include lots four and five, tracks A and B of the canyonside subdivision filing number two. It is just under 41 acres, located east of the intersection of Cross Canyon Trail and Canyon Forge Drive. And they're generally located within the northern section of the canyons plan development. Within planning areas three, B, The properties are vacant currently with some existing vegetation and some informal existing single-track trails. And the current access to this subdivision is via Cross Canyon Trail and Canyon Forge Drive. Next slide. So on this slide we have on the left-hand side the overall preliminary plan amendment. So the preliminary plan amendment is proposing 184 residential lots, 13 tracks for utility, drainage buffering and open space uses and right-of-way would also be dedicated. So there's two new single family detached neighborhoods proposed. And if we could click twice, we'll bring up the Northern section on the right-hand side. All right. So right-of-way will be dedicated and constructed starting on this Northern end, improving access to Pronghorn Park and establishing access to these new residential neighborhoods. So the neighborhood on this northern side will include a smaller sized single family detached alley product type housing with private alleyways, guest parking areas and common areas for property owners integrated throughout the neighborhood. And then if we could go ahead and click three more times, we'll just look at the central area for a moment. So in this area, There's going to be several tracks proposed for open space with new and existing trail connections to and from the existing roadway system and the sidewalks, as well as to the proposed residential neighborhoods. And then if we could click three more times, we'll get the southern side up. So the southern side of the neighborhood will also include single-family residential. The lot size will be similar in size to what's on the northern end, but it's not an alley. So the homes are more typical for what we see in the canyons, just a smaller lot size. You'll see the garages fronting the public roadway as opposed to a private alleyway. And then generally access to the subdivision will be via two new mixed-use lanes that tie into the existing street network at Cross Canyon Trail and Canyon Forge Drive. And then we can jump to the next slide. So I'll address the subdivision uses at this time. So the property subject to this preliminary plan amendment, again, they're located within the canyons plan development within planning areas three, B and C of the canyons. The uses for these planning areas include mixed use for planning area three, and then open space limited for planning areas B and C. So mixed use is intended to allow for a variety of uses, including a range of residential densities and housing types. And then open space limited is going to be more natural in character, but allowing for some passive recreational activities such as trails, native landscaping as well. And then you might see some drainage facilities, water, wastewater facilities, those types of utilities. So this preliminary plan, again, is proposing 184 residential lots and 13 tracks for drainage, buffering, and open space uses. The proposed uses do conform with the permitted uses in these planning areas. The residential lots are generally located within Planning Area 3, which is mixed use, and allows for this type of housing. A small portion does extend into Planning Area C, which you'll see on this graphic on the right-hand side. That's the red portion. But the Canyons Plan development does allow for these types of minor adjustments, provided that we're not decreasing overall minimum space requirements or increasing density or altering development standards any other way. In our review, we can confirm that the planning area B minimum open space requirements have already been satisfied with preliminary plan, previous preliminary plans and final plans, and then planning area C, those minimum open space requirements will actually be fulfilled with this preliminary plan. And the overall green shaded areas, that's where you'll see that open space. And then we can, oh, in the open planning area, see, as far as the uses go, there's some single track trails proposed, but otherwise you'll see native landscaping, some facilities for drainage infrastructure, things like that. And with that, we can go to the next slide. All right. So as far as public outreach goes, we did do an adjacent landowner notification, reached out to referral agencies for comments, and we did a public care notification. The adjacent landowner notification did not yield any comments from the from adjacent landowners at that time. And then we did two different referral agency periods. We reached out to agencies like the Parker Water and Sanitation District, the applicable canyons metropolitan districts, Cherry Creek Basin Water Quality Authority, Mile High Blood District, South Metro Fire and Rescue, Douglas County agencies, including the Sheriff's Office and the school district, the Reuter House Regulation Authority, Colorado Parks and Wildlife, the Centennial Airport, and applicable utility agencies like Excel and Core and then the Canning's Homeowners Association as well. We did receive 11 comments back. These were either no comment or technical in nature and reconciled through the iterative review process. And then lastly, the public hearing notification that included a posted notice on the property as well as a publication in the Denver Post. You can go to the next slide now. So like I said early on, a preliminary plan, including amendments to a preliminary plan do require a recommendation by the planning commission. So last month on September 26th, the planning commission did consider this preliminary plan amendment and made a unanimous recommendation to city council to approve the preliminary plan, the Canyonside preliminary plan number one, first amendment. During this meeting, planning commission did raise some questions and comments on the access to Croghorn Park, overall unit count since the approval of the Canyon's main development, and the proposed lot sizes. So we did let the planning commission know that access to Pronghorn Park would be improved as part of the public improvements with the future vital plat application. So there's no actual on the ground work to be done with the preliminary plan. That's the first step. So, but as part of the next step, they would be looking at making those improvements to Pronghorn Park on that roadway. And then as far as the overall units go and lot sizes, they do conform with the canyons plan development and it's in the staff report, As of today, we have just under 2,400 residential units that have been approved either at the final PLAP or site improvement plan stage, and then an additional about 1,800 residential units that have been planned at the preliminary plan stage. So a total of 4,176 units is where we're at. The canyons is allowed up to 5,000, so we are still within the permitted density for the canyons. Further, public comment was provided during this meeting. There were some concerns raised about the compliance with the amendment to the comprehensive plan, traffic impacts, water availability, open space requirements, public land dedications like school land or park land, emergency ingress and egress, the proposed density and wildlife impacts. And the planning commission did conclude that the public comments were generally related to zoning approvals. So those would have been considered at the time of establishing the canyons plan development. not necessarily at the time of a preliminary plan application. And then you'll see too in the staff report, there were findings addressing the compliance with the comprehensive plan, the approved traffic conformance letter and availability of water. And then as far as ingress and egress goes and wildlife impacts, we did do a referral to the South Metro Fire and Rescue as well as to Colorado Parks and Wildlife to provide input on those areas. And we did receive no objections from them. And I did kind of already touch on this, but minimum open space requirements have been satisfied or will be satisfied with this preliminary plan amendment. As far as ingress and egress goes, the applicant actually adjusts that for the Planning Commission, noting the three points of access into the canyons via Canyonside Boulevard, Cross Canyon Trail, and Canyon Forge Drive. And lastly, I touched on the density already, but it is within the 5,000. permitted units. So ultimately the planning commission did vote 5-0 to recommend approval of the preliminary plan, finding that it does conform with the seven approval criteria. So again, those are that the plan amendment is in performance with the city's comprehensive plan. There was evidence provided for water and sewer, evidence that the proposed use is compatible with the geology of the land, that there will be adequate drainage improvements. that significant cultural, archeological, natural, and historical resources, as well as unique landforms will be protected. And lastly, that the necessary public services will be provided to the subdivision. So we can jump to the next slide. So with that, the Planning Commission is recommending that the City Council approve it. So there is a recommended motion. And then I think the last slide is just for questions. I'm happy to answer any before handing things over to . Right. Also, do we have any clarifying questions for staff and a member of the applicant will come up as well and we'll have an opportunity to ask the questions too. Councilor Hudson. Just out of curiosity, you were talking about dedicated open space and trails. Can you tell me how much do you have? For this particular subdivision? Just this area. Do you know how much it is? I don't have the preliminary plan amendment in front of me. I should have got my laptop up. I'm just really curious, especially when we're talking about density. I'd love to know what you're talking about there. We do identify the specific acreage in the preliminary plan, so we can probably get that. Look at that. What was that? Yeah. You're asking, you should have received it. Life is going to be that easy. Where's the fellowship? Out in the valley. There's both in space. Do you have any idea? You talked about trails as well. You know how many trails, maybe in models, open the trails? We don't have, I guess, the mileage delineated on the preliminary plan necessarily. The acreage of the trail is included within that 21 acres, but the applicant may have the mileage for you when you can look into that. There's nodding going on. Awesome. All right. Okay. Terrific. Thank you. Senator Culp? More of a curiosity question. Will the people moving in this area be informed that they're in a letdown pattern for Centennial Airport by the noise? That they'll be informed of? That they're in a letdown pattern for Centennial Airport. They will experience aircraft overhead. Yes, that is a standard note on the final plat. It's not a note on the preliminary plans, but it is on final plat. So once the land is legally subdivided, there's a note on that. And I believe there's the due diligence plan provided to the owners. Thank you. some questions all right thank you very much all right so although a council um we've already asked your questions so let's invite the applicant up for his presentation and it's brought to you by schuyler hager of the north canyon development llc Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, council members, for being here tonight. Like the mayor said, I'm Skyler Hager. I'm project manager for North Canyons Development Company. So I'm excited to present to you guys tonight a preliminary plan amendment that's related to an upcoming proposed land sale that's going to be in the far northeast corner of the city of Castle Heights. Next slide. So before I dive into the project specifics, I first want to introduce the project team that put in the work on this preliminary plan and has been working on this final plat as well. So first, the proposed builder for these lots is Richmond American Homes. They're one of the most prominent home builders in the Denver metro area and Douglas County specifically. They were founded here in Colorado and still do thousands of houses in the Front Range every year. The design team we selected for this was Terracina Design. Our engineers have been, they've done the majority of the civil engineering out there at Canyons for Shea and for us over the last five years. And then Norris Design is the planner, since they're most familiar with the design and how the houses and the lots blend with the rural way and getting that to line up with the city spec. Next slide. So I'm not gonna spend too much on this slide, but this is mostly just showing that this is just one step forward. All development out here is a multi-step process under the plan development rules since 2009, when this was annexed into the city. So what we're asking for today is an amendment to a previously approved preliminary plan in planning area three. And that's just because today we know more details what the market is driving towards since the last approval. So after this, we would have a final plat to be approved. We would hope by the end of the year, that would be in conformance with this preliminary plan. And then that would pave the way for us to do the land sale. And then they would plan to start building houses and land development as soon as January of next year. Next slide. So You saw this on Lisa's presentation here. This is just the high-level land plan. So total acreage, just over 40 acres, 184 single-family detached lots. So no duplexes. This will all be detached and no shared walls. And there are going to be for sale, expected for sale. So the north parcel is an alley-loaded small lot product. So that just means as you drive down the center street there, you're going to look at the front of the houses, not garage doors the whole way. So you can see the front door and the steps of a small front yard. And then the south stuff on the south side, it's lot five actually, is the single, what I call the typical single family detached. And so that, we put that there so it can better take up the grade as it steps down the hill. but more typical suburban development, like you might see at Lake A Ranch or other areas of the Kenyans. It was mentioned briefly, but the PD does allow the give and take when you do the development here. But at the end of the day, this is a plus 8.5 acres to add to the open space. So we give 9.7, the red area there is about 1.2. And so the total area up here is over 21 acres um of open space next slide so we included this slide here just so you guys can see where these parcels are uh in the comprehensive plan far northeast corner of the city there just south of prom horn park uh and the mixed use here and what we're proposing as residential um is identified in the pd and the zoning documents and then the open space in the middle will just be expanded upon by that eight acres that I mentioned in the last slide. Next. So some of you might be thinking, well, this sounds familiar. I think I've seen this before. And if so, you're correct. So in 2022 and into 2023, these parcels were a part of an overall site plan. There was three. So on the other side of Cross Canyon Trail, that was expected to be a four rent. So single owner, four rent. townhome and single-family detached deal. Unfortunately, that deal didn't make it to the closing table. The economics have just changed in the for-rent market since 2021 when we went under contract on that one. And so now we peeled these two sides off. We're not including the lower lot three in this preliminary plan amendment here. And so we just redesigned it, re-engineered it, and are delivering on what the market is looking for today. Next slide. Now, the next slide here, I wanted to get in front of this. I knew it would be asked by this side of the council members, and it was probably on everybody's mind. And it's why is there more residential going in? Why is there more residential going in on lots four and five? And the two main reasons I'll talk about, and I included this picture here. I hope that it helps. It's not perfect, but it's visibility and topography on these sites. So I've personally been out there with half a dozen end users, brokers, commercial brokers, and they've all said the same thing, is that the site's too steep for commercial development and the parking that goes along with that. And the visibility is just too far off of Castle Pines Parkway. So yes, on the map, it does look very close and at the front door of the canyons. I'll remind you, canyons is about six miles from north to south and four from east to west about. And so this is about the lack of visibility is even amplified by the 40 foot knob that would block the visibility from Castle Pines Parkway. And so for comparison, the center of this site would be like a commercial development being down in between Elk Ridge Park and the American Academy. And so I think you would all agree that that is too far off of Castle Pines Parkway to make a successful commercial development. um and that's what and then all of this will be even further hidden once some of that gets developed in the front which is lifetime fitness that's going under construction that's a multi-story building um the album site improvement plan you might remember the active adult apartments that's four-ish stories to further block the view um of of these from castle pines parkway and then the medical office building which is the next one down um So that addresses the visibility of this. And the second one is the elevation change. So commercial parking lots, they have to be about two, at most 2% in every direction, very flat. And there's over 130 feet of elevation from the top of the knob down to the park or water property line. So it's very steep by using this residential product. And the reason we're doing the front load is to use walkout basements to take up about 10 to 12 feet on each one of those lots. And then we still have to put in some retaining walls there just to make the roads work. And those are at the steepest allowed by city code as well. So we did try, we looked at it, we heard what you guys said. And what I think is important to look at is that everything on the south side or the close side of that, where that picture's taken, that's from over top of Havana, is the current filing for work that's going on. And you can see, Flat as a pancake. Right next to Castle Pine Sparkway, that really lends itself more to the commercial development. That's underway and that's on track to finish up next fall and deliver to finish pads ready for. So we hope to see some more site improvement plans on all of those in 2026 for sure. Next slide. So this slide just highlights the three different types of product. The north stuff is what, if I call it the cityscape lot, that is Richmond's cityscape product. And that's a three-story detached housing product that has rooftop decks to take advantage of the views that'll be right next to the Reuterhasse and Promhorn Park that it borders. The south parcel, like I mentioned, is the front-loaded. suburban development lots that are more similar to the rest of Castle Pines and it's a similar density to like Ramble Park on the south side of Shays Development there. So these sites are designed to be independently, but right now the builder is expecting to take both, build them both at the same time and bring them both to market at the same time. So... The phasing of this, the existing detention pond that's on the south end of the property would be upsized to handle this development from the roadway connection that goes through there. And then the roadway would connect all the way to the disc park street that's currently gravel, but does get some good use. And I think it's important to mention that the final plat would include the paving and final build out of that road at the builder's cost. So the access road down to the city park would be at the builder's cost. Next slide. So internal to the Cityscape site on the north, you'll see a central common area. And this is expected to be owned and maintained by a sub-HOA that would be formed by the builder. And it's going to have a central shade pavilion seating turf area for pop-up small soccer games and such for the kids. It also will include some natural place structures and other things for children that would be expected to live in the area here. Next slide. And relating to this, I think it's important to zoom out and say, yes, there's a central park to this development that it does bring, but it also is in very good adjacents to other amenities that would be highly used by these residents here. Just over a 10th of a mile, some of them right next door and with a trail connection to go out their front door, jump on that trail and you can get to the already existing Pronghorn Park trails to the north. About a quarter mile away, even less from those southern lots is the public Wild Oak Park. And then Lifetime Fitness would be used more as an amenity, called a voluntary amenity, that's not a mandatory HOA fee to be paid by these residents. So I think that's important to mention is that a lot of this is going to be more focused on affordability in mind so that we're not just providing additional pool fees, HOA fees and other things to residents that may not use it as much as voluntary for them. Next slide. So I looked on here, and I don't have the exact mileage of trails to be proposed, but I think it's around 4,000-ish linear feet of single-track trails to be added, and a lot more when you add the trail connections adjacent and in the right-of-way. So the red line on here you can see would provide a good connection for... Shea residents, they might want to walk to Cronkorn Park and get out away from the street. So they would follow the Parker Water property line down along the existing fence there and they can connect up there. Provides good loops for residents walking their dog. And I think it's important to note that these would be public trails. So they would be able to be used by people that live at the Madison, existing Canyon residents, and people that want a little bonus loop on this side of the highway if they go over to Pronghorn Park and want a little more mileage. Next slide. A big part of a preliminary plan, and so we want to address it in the amendment too, is to make sure that these homeowners would be provided and have the services needed to support the development. Core electric for the electrical services, water and sewer provided by Parker Water and Sand, natural gas service by Xcel Energy, Douglas County Sheriff, South Metro Fire. This is included in Canyons Metro District number three, and then it is a part of the Douglas County School District, which isn't on this lot. the school district dedication was factored in at the zoning level. So this expected student generation from these is included in the two school sites that are located elsewhere in the Canyons. Next slide. So one of the big, there's many reports that go into a preliminary plan and its amendments, but one of them is definitely traffic. So, This was addressed with a conformance letter because this amendment, we just know a lot more than when this first preliminary plan amendment was done back in 2021, I believe. So at that time, assumptions were made on what the lots were going to look like, what the uses were going to be up there. And since then, we've had final plaques that came in and platted the lifetime. They platted the lots for the medical office building and the other ones. And then we got that deal that didn't go through with the single family rentals. Um, so over the last five years, as a lot to consult, uh, we came in and updated, um, the overall traffic counts and compared it to that original preliminary plan. Some things moved, they might've moved out of PA three, like the gas station was, uh, one of the assumptions was that was going to be on the south side of the highway. Now it's expected to be on the north. So it moved out, but at the end of the day, um, I can answer any questions about the details, but it's a 7% decrease in daily trips. a 36% decrease in peak morning trips, and then a slight decrease in peak afternoon trips. So at the end of the day, the expected traffic improvements that will be built that were identified in the PD are still sufficient for this development that's proposed. And then this was all backed up with their performance letter that was done by our traffic engineers, not just me saying so. So, I wanna show some photographs here. Of course, these are not the final ones. This is some stock photos from, oh, next slide, I'm sorry. Some stock photos of the Richmond product or that they built in some other subdivisions. This is the front loadage. You'll see the garage at the front there, 40 feet wide, about 2,300 square feet, three to five bedroom and a two car garage. Next slide. The tall, skinny lots that are on the north, those cityscapes, so those are 32 by 57 lots with a private alley in the back. They still get about 2,000 square feet out of these. Three bedrooms, two-car garage. We think a big draw for these is going to be the rooftop deck and the rooftop terrace that's proposed. And I think it is important to note the feeling of this is – I'm not aware of any – an alley-loaded product out at Canyons right now, but most similar. It just gets those garages off the front street. It really lets you landscape along the walkway there, a little bit wider sidewalks along the main road through the center of the site. So we think this is an important entry, and there's going to be good connectivity between the two lots, north and south. Next slide. And then this is the other lots. I believe these are the ones that are expected to be on the walkout lots, a little bit higher square footage because you have that walkout basement, two-car garage on these expected as well. Next slide. This is just a slide that shows that this, while this is the first Cityscape product that's shown in... or that's going to be built in Castle Pines. I'm not aware of it over here yet. It has been built in the South Metro area and has been very successful. It provides a lot lower price point for buyers. And so we expect it to be really successful here. It's been built at Sterling Ranch, Meridian. I believe it's out in the Alder Creek neighborhood out towards Parker and then down in the Meadows development too. Next slide. But next I want to talk a little bit about, first I want to just address that these are not a part of the Canyons HOA. So Shea's Canyons is its own. These will not have access to the pool. These won't have access to those amenities that come with the Canyons HOA. But it is going to have a small sub-HOA that has a lot more limited functions and a lot smaller area to maintain. So that would include the snow plowing, the alley maintenance behind those alley lots, landscape maintenance of the park up there. covenant control, retaining wall, and drainage maintenance for anything that the city doesn't take. And I think that's important to talk about because as I was preparing for this, we pulled the last sales comps up here, and the 2025 average sales price at Canyons was $1.3 million. It was sold over 50 houses at $1.3 million. This is going to be substantially less than that. A lot of this product in other markets, the Castle Rocks and the Parkers and Meridians is in selling in the $750,000 to $850,000 range. So we think it's a really important product to add that's a lot more attainable for buyers. $1.3 million is just a stretch for people these days. And that trickles back into the HOA and the limited HOA. That can also add hundreds of dollars. It's not in the purchase price of the house. It's not in the property taxes. But still, you only get to use the pool for maybe three months a year, three or four months a year, but you pay your HOA dues on it as well. And so that's a big cost that goes into these folks that are looking for less expensive houses, but they still get to live in Castle Pines. They're still going to come in and dine over here. And it'll really help catalyze the rest of our commercial development over there. To address what we did see from those brokers over there is... that we're getting close. We just need a few more rooftops over here. So the adjacency, the trail connections, and all of that, I think make this an important product to have in the city here, and then lets us shift our focus over to the rest of, there's the one other out parcel that was included in that single family rental one. So that'd be a separate application once we get a use figured out there. Next slide. So I think Lisa's presentation went through these pretty well. I hope that my presentation tonight showed you how we were in conformance with the goals and objectives of the Castle Pines Master Plan, that we do provide the water and sewer through Parker Water and Sanitation District, and that's sufficient for this development. We've provided reports for geological, archeological drainage reports, historical reports, the wildlife reports to show that that is a developable site and that we do also provide the necessary fire and police protection and the proposed traffic improvements that'll keep this community flowing like it should. So with that, I'd answer any questions that you may have. Council, do you have any questions? Right, Councilor Bloom? I might as well start with commercial. Let's get it out of the way. As you know, and you've been the subject of my questioning on these issues, we had some developers here recently who talked about the rooftop issue, and I have a better understanding of why we don't have commercial there yet. Doesn't ease my frustration, but I have a better understanding on this. One thing that you said really stands out to me, or stood out to me, and that's that you said, Just a few more rooftops. Please expand on that and what that means. How many rooftops are we talking? And when can we start? When can we expect to see some mixed use going in south of CPP? Because I know we're doing, I know we're going to be doing some commercial north of. But let's be honest. Everybody's waiting for that big mixed use area to start developing. And so that's what I want to know. How many? 184. So 184 are captured in this, and that's within the 5,000 that's currently expanded. But that 184, does that tip you over to start doing the commercial? It gets us closer. On 40 acres, it just- How many do we need to get there? There's not a letter. I haven't had somebody give me a trip point here, or else I'd go plant that tomorrow. And then to answer your question about when is the rest coming, the developments you saw in the north, I don't know if I mentioned this in past hearings, But that's an important one. As much as the pad, that handles all the drainage for PA2, for the north half of it. So to answer your question, that could be ready for development because the pond and the drainage is going to be ready for PA2. It could be ready to go and plant as soon as the end of next year. So when phase two of filing four is built and accepted, the pond is ready, we can start developing and that can take the drainage from planning area two, which is the south of CPP that you're talking about. The other... stuff that is going on we expect to the lifetime to be done in 2026 i think 2026 is a it's a key year for for the front door of canyons all right thank you yep additional questions so i have a question for you on just It's a tight site and the topography is challenging. What, if anything, are you doing to make sure you're preserving the open space and not having to encroach on it when you're doing a construction? So the tightest site of the two is the south one, for sure. We did put in retaining walls because of that knob up there. So on the roundabout side, if you're familiar, there's the big gray wall that's been working on slowly getting back. But we saw that, saw it encroached on the hill too much. And so we're taking a different approach on the south side and doing retaining walls that step down to those detached lots. So most similar to what Shea did in the northern half of their subdivision up there, similar sized walls. And then we did bring up the downhill side. So the trail connection will actually be below the wall and not looking right in the back in the backyard of those houses that look down over the rest of the world. Okay, I have another question. On the trails on the south, it would be the southwest corner of Rocky Creek Lane, which is really close to Cross Canyon Trail. Is there not a trail connect from that open space between the gap between the houses because of the topography? It's too steep? Okay, because that just seems like it would be a missed opportunity, and I thought maybe it was because of the elevation. Right there, I think there's about 15 feet of walls that dropped down. I do better rock climbing wall, but they all have fences. And then one other question, you talked about these residents could not participate in the pool and features that Shea has. Does that also include the events that Shea puts on? I'm not real familiar with Shea's events. I think that they do some public events and they do some private events. The best comparison I would have is they would have the same access to the events over there that a resident on this side of the highway or other residents. That would necessarily be marketed to because they don't. Okay. Okay. And will the HOA that they have that's in charge of the open spaces that you talked about prior be putting on events? I'm just asking because it's very difficult for the city to to get communications over to the Eastside often with the SHAY events and trying to invite everybody together as a community. And I don't want to see them over in their own little corner, not knowing that we love them, they want them, we want them to be part of the community. And how can we make sure that that is included in our communications? I think of the size of community who will help here, 184 is a lot smaller, so they won't have their own events that they're hosting, right? They won't have their own pool stuff or whatever. I think it's just a lot more manageable to where you'll get a lot more reaction from the residents that are over there. Okay, great. Any additional questions? Mayor, I move to adopt resolution 20. So we still need to do public comments. So I'm going to go ahead and open the public comments for 7.39 p.m. And if you would like to get a virtual public comment on ordinance 25-11. So we're not giving virtual comment, but if you'd like to give public comment in person, please sign up on the back of the room. And again, you will have three minutes if you are an individual commenting and five minutes if you are a group speaking on behalf public group and as a reminder do we have anyone signed up we do okay so let me give some additional instructions um please make sure that uh you give the name and address before you begin your comments and you will have a three minute time limit and you will have the color indications and i will go through all the instructions against regarding um to let you know how much time you have left So let's go ahead and call the first person to the podium. Paige Bassett, if you'd like to approach the podium and start with your name and address for the record, please. Hi, I'm Paige Bassett, 7269 Copper Skyway, New Canaan. Good evening. I live near the Pimpernel Canyon site development and I'm here to speak on behalf of myself and several leavers who cannot be here today. I understand that this was all approved several years ago. However, the zoning was submitted long before any of us even knew that we would one day call the Canyons home. As we reviewed hundreds of pages of the proposal, there were five items that gave us pause. First, as outlined in the Castle Pines Comprehensive Plan from 2021, each one states, build on the small town and friendly feel of the neighborhoods and align new housing with community values. in each 1.2 states maintain the character of single family and large lot neighborhoods. The current proposal does not align with this goal. It proposes 184 tightly packed single family homes on lots as small as 1,500 square feet. The condensed homes do not contribute positively to the desired community character. I ask that you reconsider for a larger minimum lot size that would better reflect the existing neighborhood fabric while protecting low density and the natural feel of the canyons. Second, the traffic study in the plan is from 2020 and no longer reflects today's conditions. In the last five years, multiple neighborhoods have been built and more people have moved to the area. Castle Pines residents and the canyons deserve an upstate traffic analysis before adding nearly 200 more homes. Also, the city's plan emphasizes transportation capacity as a key factor in approving growth. Third, the water that are provided in the plan is only conditional. In a state where water is limited, we should have reservations about approving more density without current evidence of secure water resources. Fourth, this plan chips away at promised open space in planning area C. Once open space is lost, we cannot get it back. At a minimum, this part of the proposal should be denied. Finally, dedications for parks and schools were already satisfied in earlier plots. However, this proposal is without new dedications. This will put more strain on the needs for schools in this area, and the school district has not budgeted funds to build schools on the allocated land. For these reasons, I respectfully ask the commission to either deny the plan, postpone approval, or require some major changes. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have additional? Lacey Bradley, if you'd like to address with them. If you can start with your name and address for the record, please. Good evening. Lacey Bradley, 7279 Copper Skyway. Thank you for having me this evening. So I'm sure every one of you chose Castle Pines for a reason. And I know my family chose because of the open space, the small town feel, and the great schools. And I think you can all relate to that. Had I known that the plan was to develop at all costs, I would have chose differently. My neighbors and I chose a specific area we live in called the Peregrine. And on the Canyons website, you can see that it says, the Peregrine is a little more set apart in location and exclusivity. Situated adjacent to Reuters House Reservoir, the neighborhood is close to both nature and open space, which means you have more than a beautiful home. You'll have breathtaking surroundings. And I can't speak to the transparency of developer, but that wasn't transparent. More was the airport piece. Anyway, we'll move on there. So for the comprehensive plan, like Paige mentioned, that we should maintain a small town feel. you're gonna put up cityscapes. You might as well be in any other city in the Denver Metro area. They're not pleasing to the eye and they're urban looking. So when you're paddle boarding or kayaking or fishing on Ruder Hess, you can see them. So we can all look forward to that if we move forward with this plan. And as far as the schools go, I have three children in the schools, which are fantastic. But if my kids didn't move from Timber Trail, they would see 18% growth in third grade, Class size is almost at 30, and no future plans to build the school that's allotted for. So we're going to put in high density. What does that mean for our children? And what are the class sizes? And what's the capacity? I know the schools want funding, right? So they're going to say yes. But it's at what's right for our kids. And the open space component, I realize it's a small little red piece on the map. But if you set the precedence of taking away planned open space, you'll continue to do that. They'll continue to ask. You'll continue to grant it. So we want to be careful of our wildlife. The other piece is traffic. Canyons is underrepresented. Thank you for those that do represent us now. But we don't have a seat at the table. And we drive there every day. We drive up and down. We have construction in Lifetime. We have construction across the street. We're going to have the senior housing. It's dangerous. And I have two teen drivers plus one more coming. So the traffic doesn't account for all the children driving because there's a lot. Thank you. Appreciate the time. Thank you. Do you have anyone else sent up? We have one more person. I apologize if I butcher your name. If you'll start with your name and address for the. There you go. Hi, my name is Neba Gosai, and I live at 7599 Copper Sky Court. My goal, and first of all, thank you for having me, but my goal is not to be redundant to what my neighbors have already said. I fully agree and support everything that they've said. I would like to come give you my personal perspective. I've moved from an urban area. I spent 14 years in Chicago, and I moved here for more open, openness, community. And that's what I found in the Canyons. And to see this proposal and see the aesthetics of what's coming in tightly packed units with 184 in tight space taking away open space that was planned. Also, to your point previously, the transparency is wonderful that you're asking that of the developer now. Some of these items was not transparently given to me by our developers. I had no idea of this planned development, had no idea about the airports, and it is what it is, and that's fine. But now I'm here, and I live here, and I'm going to miss my community feel. I didn't move here to see Chicago outside of my window, and that's exactly what's going to happen with rooftops. It's exactly where I came from, a three-story walk-up, and that looks exactly like what I lived in back in the city. And that's not the aesthetics of the Canyons. Canyons is a family place. This is a complete deviation from what... is there present. And so I would ask that you consider the points of my neighbors. I fully support those. And the people on my street who cannot be present today also support them. And then I also would like you to consider the aesthetics of what's being put in. And does that really match what's here? Thank you. Do we have anyone else tonight? We do not. Great. close the public comment at 7.47 p.m. And I'll ask the applicant back up if he wishes to speak to anything that was covered and get a direct public comment. Yes, I think I can answer most of the concerns that were brought up in the public. But I think overall, it kind of boils down to three. Four things I basically heard. One of them is the density, right? And I want to tell a quick story about here, and I'm sure this has happened. Think about our neighbors that we're familiar with south of us, Happy Canyon Estates, 35-acre lots. They heard about this new development over here. Can you believe they're going to slam all those lots on the Ridge Golf Course? They're only going to be one acre. They're basically going to be right on top of each other. Well, then the Ridge Golf Course people hear about the Peregrine neighborhood, Copper Skies development going in. Can you believe that those are only 50-foot houses? They can basically reach out and touch their neighbor. Then I hear what I heard tonight is that the Cityscape product, they're three-story walk-ups. They're basically right by each other. Well, then are the Cityscape people going to say the same thing about the town-owned people that live in the Citadel on this side? And then are the Citadel people going to get... And those Citadel people really like their project. They are happy with living in the city. That's what they can afford, and that's where they can live it. They're happy with it. And then the Citadel people might say the same thing about the album. They might say, we share a wall with our neighbor, but at least we don't have people above and below us. But the people that will be living in the album love it. They don't have any maintenance. They get to live right at the front door of their kids that live over there. So I think it just highlights the importance of a diverse product and that there's different houses for different people's needs, different people's incomes. And all six of those products that I just talked about are all within three miles of this city hall we're standing in right now. So I think we're doing a good job. And I think it's important that we have different types of product over here. Traffic. Traffic, I think, is important. Is that the traffic analysis and the traffic impact study. does include the proposed improvements. So there will be new improvements that go in, like the Promenade Park improvements. It's not going to stay exactly like it is now. As the overall development gets built out and as new commercial comes online, Turn lanes get added, traffic lights get added. Those are all reflected and those were designed and planned for all 5,000 units of canyons plus the 2 million square feet. That's why we do it at a zoning level, not with every single final plat here, because then you would get to the end and say, oh, shoot, we have too many houses or not enough improvements and not enough space to put them. And so that's why it is addressed and that is addressed in the traffic impact studies. There's an important distinction here between open space over here, what the Copper Sky residents had mentioned, they're not looking at open space, they're looking at undeveloped mixed use area. And I think out of the 40 acres of here, 20 acres of remaining open space, over half of it, I think is pretty fair. And similar to other developments in the area. I don't think it's out of place. It's not more typical of a Midwestern city. And then the dedications, I did briefly mention that, that those are because you can't build a school site within a neighborhood of 184 houses here. That's why those are reflected and the school counts are reflected in the traffic study. And those are all done at the zoning level to make sure that they're not forgotten and that all improvements are reflected long before the school is built and long before the details of these are known. And whether it's the Richmond or the builder is Richmond, Shea, Taylor Morrison, whoever it might be. And then the last one I think is, is the airport disclosure. So the airport is highly disclosed in, in all developments. The, the road to the South and a parcel in the area is called outer marker road because it's the outer marker of the centennial airport. For sure. It's in the, at the plat level it's in the, the annexation and development agreement, a standard note that has to be put on. Those are recorded docs. So when buyers buy their lots, they have to legally get those documents. They're attached to the title of the property. Then builders typically, and each builder has their own verbiage they might use, but all builders do put a note that says there will be airplanes flying over, and especially in areas like this, but it's a lot worse out by the airport, South Aurora, things like that. And so for sure, because I work for a builder, they are disclosed in that area too. And it is worth mentioning that no matter how much you disclose it, you can still hear airplanes. We did do a noise study out here and it does well exceed the maximum recommended noise level for development. We're much below that. That was done by Geiler and Associates and could provide a copy of that if needed. But I think that was done at the original preliminary plan time. So I hope that answers all the questions. If I didn't, I wasn't trying to weasel out of anything. I just couldn't write fast enough. Okay. Council, do we have any additional questions from the applicant? All right. Councilor Lueb. So the images that we saw, the structures, are those the structures we're going to be seeing? No. The Canyons has its own set of mixed-use design guidelines. That controls the architecture for a cohesive – so you see the same themes and the same architecture from this development. So the residential stuff that might be on the far east side in Planning Area 3, you'd see a common thread as you work your way east and west towards I-25 and through Planning Area 2. Yes, we do have a design review board. The actual architecture is done in concurrence with the final plat. And before the final plat is approved and a building permit is issued, the builder has to show that they've got approved by the Canyon side design review committee. And so Shea did a similar thing. So they had a consistent architecture. Shea had their own design guidelines for their 2000 houses there. So you might see similar stone, similar architecture styles. over there. So think of it most similar to that. It's a different set of guidelines than Shea has, but similar for all of the mixed use area. Councilor Nichol, I will get a copy of your airport notice. Yeah. Can I get one? Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. I can get a copy of the note on the plat and redisclosure at land sale time. And then I can probably find some from a typical builder. Thank you. I have a question. Like you mentioned, I know the houses are bigger in the canyons, but comparatively, like percentage-wise, like lot size compared to house, like how does this, these houses and lot size compare? What's the similarity? Because I feel like the lot sizes aren't big in the canyons, but the houses are bigger. Does that make sense? Very similar. So to answer how big of a yard are these people going to get, I think is what you're trying to get here. Still pretty aggressive easements that are on the front and back. And that's for dry utilities where the electrical lines go and where the water easements are on the alley side and stuff. So I believe it's at least 10 foot. It is the same as the canyons. So minimum setbacks or minimum easements. And then there also is setbacks. And those minimum setbacks are kind of set by building code. So how... far apart they can be and at the PD level. Additional questions? All right, thank you. Council members, may I have a motion to begin the session, please? Mayor, I move to approve resolution number 25-45, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado. approving the Candidate Side Preliminary Plan Number 1, First Amendment, City Case Number PP-2025-001. I'll second the motion. I've got a motion and a second. Mayor Pro Tem Eubanks, you go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. This one's interesting to me. As I was reading the packet, reading the documents, I kind of, you know, honestly, we went back and forth about how I thought about this, how I thought about this. A couple things. One is I'm certainly disappointed. While what I'm about to say isn't because of this, I am disappointed still that we have no commercial on those sites. I thought the presentation, while it was long, was thorough. And I do think that the Planning Commission has substantial credibility in voting unanimously. I also, when you speak to noise, I actually chair the Centennial Airport Noise Roundtable, and I don't It doesn't matter what kind of documents they see or read. The airport gets complaints day after day after day after day after day from people in the canyon. So either they're not being dispersed well enough or people aren't reading them, but it's still an issue. After hearing the presentation and hearing public comment, I will tell you that I am in not support and I will be voting no tonight. council members. So as far as I'm second, yes, yes. I appreciate the presentation. I appreciate the feedback from the residents. I also appreciate just understanding better that there are 20 acres of 40 acres given to open space and understanding better the lot size because I am also a fan of having more space around me, even though I like my neighbors, they want space around me. And The other, and I do, thank you for clarifying because I did not like those pictures either of the styles. So I'm happy to hear that the styles have to match the rest of the canyons so it'll be more cohesive. I don't like that it's pretty dense, but like you mentioned, you know, it's kind of comparable to other areas. So, and I do, obviously, you know, we all want more commercial and retail follows residents. So we need more residences in order to get more retail. So, no paper. Additional comments? Councilor Henson? I'm concerned on many levels. And first of all, I want to thank the good residents of the Canons for coming over. We don't see you enough, and I really appreciate that. I'm over there all the time. I love what Shea has done, the Canons House, the Exchange. You all have a beautiful development up there, and I understand why you want to protect it. So thank you for coming over here and voicing your opinions. It's much appreciated. So please come more often. And I definitely understand why you're concerned. This school issue is an issue that we've been talking about for a long time. We do need a new school here. We've been fighting for it for several years. The Douglas County School District has been delayed in building a new school in our city. We're told that next year, maybe, we'll be up for consideration once again. You're being heard on that. And so we'll be... really forceful in making sure your needs are met, because I know they're important to you. Having schools close to your kids, it's important. It's important. Especially as people with that community, as your kids should be able to walk to school. It concerns me that you mentioned the Citadel. That was one of the first votes we took when we seated Deb, I, and Tracy all at the same time. That's one of the votes that I regret the most. I hear more about that development than any other development in our city about how it looks, how dense it is. As I drive by it almost every time, I cringe because there's no place for kids to play. There's no activities there. Even the sign, I've talked to Michael Penny about it multiple times, for people to walk across the street is this big. Beware that there are people crosswalk. It's this big. You can't even see it. It's the people who contact me that live in that area are not happy all the time. They're not ecstatic about that development. So it bothers me that you would mention that. And the tract study, I think we discussed it at the time in 2020. I'm not sure that it does all that we want it to do, especially with the more density that's here. I would like to give you grace. I think we have multiple times. I'm concerned. I really am. I look forward to hearing what everybody else says on the panel. I'm not ready to just say yes. I respect Pro Tem Eubanks and his comments, and I think they're valid. Show comments? Ask me. I'm struggling with this for a number of reasons. The thing that I'm, I don't like the pictures we saw. I think it looks, doesn't look good. I thought those were kind of weird looking homes. I know we're going to have more density and I get that there's going to be density over there. I get that that's what's going to happen. I also feel like, frankly, you meet the criteria. The condition can go all the way back. And I think that's the piece that while there are pieces in the comprehensive plan that may not be hit, I think there are others that are hit. And that's kind of one of the weird things about that condition. So while I'm going to be a yes, it's... mainly because i think that you've met the conditions of the approval then that's where we are any additional comments i would echo councilman from blue that the conditions in my opinion have also been met the all seven criteria have been met um i had concerns about the the cultural archaeological, natural, historical resources and unique landforms, which was why I was asking what you're doing to retain the nature and the topography that's there, especially that is open space, because in some cases we've had development happen and the trucks are going to open space and all the dirt is being piled in the open space and it's not preserving those things. I just wanted to prevent that. that are happening in this development, especially because the quarters are very tight. But we also have in our comprehensive plan that we're looking for mixed variability of housing product and price points. When you're talking about much of the price points that you've been seeing at $1.3 million in the canyons, the only way for us to be able to bring that number down is to create more density and to build up, unfortunately, because we don't have some other opportunities for condos for purchase products. We might be seeing something different if that was something that was allowed, we didn't have to deal with construction litigation. But this is what we have to be able to address those needs. And for that reason, I completely appreciate where the residents are coming from. And I appreciate the applicant is putting in 50% open space, but again, going back to the seven, Approval criteria, I believe the applicant has met them. Any additional comments? All right, in terms of you, please call the vote. Councilmember Cole? Yes. Councilmember Hudson? Yes. Mayor Kutemi-Binks? No. Councilmember Salazar? Yes. Councilmember Bloom? Yes. Mayor Ingerman. Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. All right. We're going to close the public hearing at 8.05 p.m. Our next item on the agenda. It would be the consent agenda. Yeah, I'm just looking for the... It's on the screen. Thank you. Is Resolution 25-44, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, approving a professional services agreement between the City of Castle Pines and Ayers Associates Inc. for the economic development strategic bank? And our staff presentation will be by City Manager McKenzie. Ian, normally we don't do a staff presentation when it's pulled. It's a Russian middle-poller. motioner on the recent floor and start getting questions. Okay. So Council Member Hudson, I'll turn it over to you. Sure. My first question is, why was this put on consent agenda? Clearly, it should not go into the Council's perspective since you pulled it off. Well, and also the response from citizens. Well, then we make the determination. So this was on the work plan and has been on the work plan as Council is aware. And so it was a standard RFP process as we've done numerous times over the years, including the transportation and master plan that we updated recently. And so we just followed our standard process for doing that. You know, the councils, especially, I'm going to speak for myself here, have had so many questions about, you know, redevelopment and hiring someone We talked about it during budget discussions for at least the last few years. I'm just surprised that, first of all, the newest member who went through a vacancy committee was on the selection, in the selection process, and then we were put in on consent where we went in to discuss who was reviewed and why this group was selected without public view. I'm just surprised that that would have seemed like it was appropriate. And I would just like to know why. I really don't have a fitting answer for you. Could we discuss at least the merits of this selected curriculum? Yeah, I could walk through the process. So we developed an RFP. using, I would say, I can't remember exactly at the moment, but I would say somewhere between seven and 10 other municipal, front range municipal RFP economic development plans, pulled out the pieces that we felt were consistent and valuable for what tied in with an update of our existing economic development plan, was to put that out for our normal process over BidNet. put it out for some amount of time. We received 17 responses for that. And then there were, I believe, four staff people, which included assistant city manager myself, our projects manager, who does a lot of RFPs and responses, and then our finance director. So those four people were involved in that. We scored it down to... narrowed it down to five to interview. And then those four staff people, along with Council Member Salazar and Mayor Ingerman, which I invited to participate as I've done on different occasions, invited different ones of you to involve and come into the staff level, we interviewed those five, really narrowed it down to two finalists and made the final decision. I would say that just for, and one of them could speak to it, their recommendation was the other firm, but we really felt that the responses from staff level proposal to present to you was errors as we identified. And so I would say that we followed the normal protocol that we've done for certainly the seven plus years that I've been here in determining then our process, there's nothing different that we've done. It's the standard process for it. And we have put something before you, I apologize. It was a bad call to put it on consent. No attempt to hide anything in it. It was just consent should have been on general business and we're having that conversation now. And so I probably would have, the presentation would have been about the same. If you think about, or if I think about the last, whether it was the comp plan update, the parks and rec update, the transportation master plan, we've taken the same process in all of those scenarios. And so if that's not what council wanted, I apologize it wasn't the intent, but we just followed the standard protocol. As councilor members and councilor Hudson just alluded to, this was originally on the 24 work plan. And because nothing was really happening around the economic development goes to council member Blue's comments on the previous agenda item. We moved it to, with council's approval, we moved it to first quarter of 25. When we got closer to that, had that conversation, we moved it to, that was the unanimous, I believe, council member Mulvey had both times we moved it, wanted it to stay. So we moved, we did it a while ago, moved it to fourth quarter of 25, that's been our work plan. So we initiated the process just as we do for the other work examples. So, and this is hiring the contractor to do the work, then we will sit down like we do with all of our contractors, put together and finalize the scope, fine-tune the scope, develop the public outreach component. All of the council will be interviewed. My guess is we'll have them attend a council meeting and study assessments so you can be involved in scope determination and work through that process. Oh, and the last thing I would mention is that while it shows a completion date of January, I fully expect that this is more like a March completion date because realistically we have about two more weeks worth of work time in 2025 where the holidays hit. And so realistically, this will start up second week of January in full force. We'll do the fine tuning. Some work will happen still this year. Majority of it's really going to happen over the next couple of years. time in there was really very initial proposal. But we find, and this is, again, it's standard. We fine tune the scope, we fine tune the timeline once we get them under contract. Because none of these firms, whether it's a contractor, and you've heard public works say this too, none of them want to spend a lot of time fine tuning that until they've been chosen and they know they're under contract. So there's plenty of opportunity to address or work around the holidays, whether that's Thanksgiving or Christmas. I just want to address some of the, I think, misunderstandings that I've been hearing a little bit, maybe from the community, our residents, that obviously, like you've mentioned, City Manager mentioned, this is not a push, this has been pushed back instead of pushed forward. Also, the City Manager shared about this in August 26th meeting, almost two months ago, shared about, again, to Council, November 30th. And then also speaking to one of the residents mentioned that there was some lack of information in the initial proposal from heirs. They did send in additional information to the city manager and staff addressing those projects that they conducted in Colorado, the qualifications of their team, and addressing the timing. Obviously, this is going to be stakeholder outreach, council outreach, resident outreach. So potential people that could be adding to the council will be a part of this process. As you mentioned, it's not going to happen probably until January. All residents will be contacted, have opportunity to partake and participate. It's going to be a couple months process. AIRS also worked with us previously, so we have kind of a historical record of the quality of work that they've done. And they were one of the few companies on the interviews that actually did any research about hassle times and already opportunities and challenges. So I hope that clarifies some of the questions that were kind of floating around the social media networks. Thank you. Which one am I going to? Go ahead. So I do not share the same concerns about this. understanding that they came in below the not to exceed cost, understanding that I won't rehash everything that council member Salazar said, but also in my state, I don't want to wait four months to get this going. Additionally, there are going to be things, if there's a new mayor seated, if there's a new council member seated, which there definitely will be that. Why are we naming trails tonight? Why don't we give them the opportunity to name the trails? We can't stop business on the date that the petitions do. So, you know, that's what I've been hearing a lot is there's new people coming in, new people coming in. August 25th or whatever, we should just stop doing business then because if we're going to wait for a new council, it may have receded. I don't want to stop because of that. So I'm in favor of it. Again, this is choosing the company, not what the plan is. We will have plenty of opportunity for the plan and have input on that. I'm not concerned that AIRS was chosen at all. Oh, I'm sorry. You were waiting. All right. I agree with what Councilman Eubanks was saying. I just want to follow up on that because This process includes stakeholders. And frankly, the candidates are stakeholders. So to some extent, they're going to be involved regardless. The majority of this is going to happen after the election anyway. So whoever is elected to those positions, they may not be seated yet, but we know who they are. And they're going to be a part of the process. So I just don't have the same concerns about the timing. I do have concern about what that output is going to be. And so I'm looking forward to seeing that. And when that happens, if we get something that we're not happy with, we can always sit down with the contractor and work through it and figure out what else we need to do, what it needs to look like, what we're not happy about. So I'm for hiring these folks now, get them moving, and then get this moving along. You know, we just had the meeting with those developers, and we were talking about these kinds of things, and the fact that we need to do this. We need to get our economic development plan in place, so we need to move forward. I have nothing to add. Well, I need to allow you to, because I can go back to the second person and tell everyone's had an opportunity to speak. Not so much for... process within our council and our staff, but there was a fairly concentrated effort by some of our citizens that was full of misinformation, references to secrecy that did not exist. There were indirect attacks on the city manager, indirect attacks on the mayor and court here. None of it was required. There was people laying out information to try to mislead a fair number of people. And I just, in a city our size that is so beautiful, when that kind of activity occurs, it just drives me nuts. The last thing we need to do is emulate what's going on in Washington, D.C. So my reason for voting no, there was a lot of effort by a number of people. to mislead where this project was and all of this money. Thank you, man. Council Member Hudson? Well, I second that, Ron. Well, I hate people who do dirty politics. That's a terrible thing. Well, I hate fanaticism. I'm going to second what Chris says about moving it along. But this is the thing, why maybe we should wait or at least redirect this. Because there are conflicting visions. about economic development in the city and how we approach it. I know over the last year, we've literally fought over it and talked about what that looks like. I believe we will have different people setting on the status in the coming months. And I think the direction will change, especially after going to my mailbox today. But I will say those conversations will happen, and it will happen with new members and with differing views. And I think I want to respect those. And this is the other part of that is I have sat through study sessions over the most trivial things in these chambers. Oh, my goodness, there's been things that is talking about renaming things in the city to be more PC. We've sat through those things, but we didn't. sit down and have a state session talking about these different groups. I find that really unusual. And if this was rushed through before the elections, I'm going to say it was rushed through. I didn't take part of it. You say you bring people in. I've never been brought in over eight years. You never asked me to be part of these. I find it really unusual. This has been, is a passion of mine. Something I've been talking about for years. I voted against the budget twice. over this issue, and I was not brought in. To me, that is very unusual. So, I mean, it just seems very odd to me, especially this group. So, I have a problem with it. Additional comments? Actually, yeah. I came up with something earlier about, you know, candidates, whomever is elected in November will be part of this. I just want to say when I became interested, I came to every council meeting, watched them all online. I encourage anyone who is either a candidate or once the election happens and if you are being seated in January, come to the meetings. I see Mr. Gilbert in the audience. Thank you. I encourage everyone to do that. I know I'm off topic, but I'm okay with it. I learned a lot about this before I was even in the seat. And I encourage the candidates and whoever wants to do the same. That's wonderful. I move to approve resolution 2544, the resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, approving a professional services agreement to the City of Castle Pines and Ayers Associates Inc. for the economic development strategic plan. Second. Third. A motion and a second. Senators are taking things cold. Oh, has somebody already moved it? Oh, yeah. We're kind of a little bit out. No, I know, but we typically have discussion, but we did discussion before. We were excited. Like I did, but you got your... Yes. Council Member Hudson? No. Council Member Salazar? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Peabanks? Yes. Council Member Bloom? Aye. Council Member Cole? Yes, Madam Chair. The motion passes. Thank you. All right. Next on our regular agenda is the last item of business. Marcus. Oh, we're good. Wow. Last but not least. So, and I'm looking for my notes. Here we go. Our final item on general business is resolution 25-46, a resolution of city council of the city of Castle Pines, Colorado, naming certain trail segments in the city. And our presentation will be given by Parks, Rec, and Open Space Director, Marty Stripes. Turn it over to you. Great. In the hearing council, the question for tonight was, does council support the names for the five identified trail segments? We identified these in the last prime meeting, which was September 18th. It was a process facilitated by Dave with DTJ Design Group. So we had a facilitator come in and we focused on some parameters to name them. And obviously starting with five, seeing where we could go and how far we could get. Looking at different things, land features, creeks. neighborhoods, ridges, things where you'll see their power lines. That was one. So kind of things that, and really getting that perhaps in the community, people who walk the trails, are there things that they already kind of say we don't walk in this such and such and things we want it to make sense for a child to a senior to everybody that this once we name them that they make sense because eventually we'll have wayfinders and markings and really a way to identify where all these are at so we want did want that so that was kind of the baseline of where we started to get to these points so going into that i kind of go from the first one was pretty easy. I mean, we combined segments one through 13. Go ahead and go to the next slide, I believe. This was an overall on the top, and we kind of focused on the top for, actually, one goes all the way through the city. Go to the next slide, and we'll go to the action exhibits. So Monarch Trail. Monarch Trail, we combined segments one and 13, which were originally identified as two separate trails, just because it runs down almost the entirety of Monarch. One of those things that does, if you're walking down, what makes sense, where are you at? It made sense to Pratt to do that. And I should also say that these were all unanimous decisions. There was a lot of back and forth, a lot of brainstorming, some goofy names, some really vanilla names. And what we got, it was unanimous within Pratt. So that was Monarch. Pretty straightforward. That was an easy one for us, combining those. Where are you at? Monarch Trail. Next slide. The next segment runs along Castle Pines Parkway. And Monarch, as much as Monarch made sense of doing Monarch Trail, Castle Pines Parkway... That's a lot more Castle Pines Parkway Trail. So we started kind of dissecting that, what makes sense and Parkway flushed out of that Parkway Trail kind of goes along with that Castle Pines Parkway theme and it runs the entirety of that. Next slide. Trail segment four, we identified it as Buffalo Way, not leaving the trail on it. About everything ends ending with trail. So Buffalo away. A lot of Buffalo out here. A lot of the names of the neighborhoods put into the streets. Obviously the Buffalo in Daniels Gate Park area. So it kind of seemed natural to work that into one of our trails. So that one came flushed out of there. Next, please. Daniel's Gate, this one, we did pretty quick. It goes from that segment to ends in Daniel's Gate. Seemed like a pretty natural. There was little options they gave us in the office. You see that little 5A that I'm calling it? And that was Daniel's Spur. And it's a nice little loop if you go out there and walk that. You don't have to walk. the whole thing. But if you want to just do a little loop, it's a nice little loop right there. So then you Daniel spur. And when the wayfinding and the signage comes, it will delineate that. And you can go on through that and do that trail as well. Next slide, Liz. And this was one of the ones that, oh, is that the longest? Power Ridge. And the real focus on this is because there's power lines along the whole area. And what we found is when people were riding that, that's what they're referencing near the power lines along the trail by the mountains. So we kind of wanted to go with that. We wanted all kinds of things from, I think there was buzz, like anything electrical. And we were like, stay away from like people getting electrocuted. So Power Ridge is where we came on that. so that that was the trails um that we've got proud uh that we're bringing forward and then um stack staff recommends um the names as suggested by proud and with that being said any questions just real quick i i never have thought about the sidewalks along the roads as trails um and so i just wanted to comment that that's clearly what's going on along Monarch Trail and Parkway Trail for sure. And it looked like it's St. Douglas, Daniels Gate. So I just, I think that's interesting that we're calling those trails. Yeah, they had some good exercises before when they were identifying what the trail segments were, where the connectivity would be. So when you finally get to the connectivity portion of it, that you don't just end and like, okay, where am I going to go? Let's pull up an app and pull up my MapQuest and see. So when it's all said and done, we wanted to have that connectivity even on the right-of-ways so our community knows where they're going and can use those trails. And most of our trails are paved, even the ones that aren't on the roads, that aren't technically sidewalks. So we wanted those to connect. So you can leave a trail and go to a sidewalk, but it's still a trail. Additional questions? And the motion to begin discussion. I move to approve resolution 2546, the resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, naming certain trail segments in the city. Second. And I think this is a no-brainer. I think the crowd did a great job. Thank you, Marcus, for leading them along the way. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Councilwoman Salazar, for your work with them as well. I like the names. I think they're really interesting. I especially like the Power Ridge because I know that that's how people refer to it. As a matter of fact, I saw Mr. Gilbert nodding his head along. Power Line, we call it. Okay, we'll take Power Ridge. Same idea. So I think it's a good... I think these are good names and it's a good start, and I'm glad that we're doing this. Yeah, I think the Parks and Recreation Board really enjoyed this activity, and they're excited to get to the 30-plus other trails that we still need to name. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, and thank PRAP for doing this. And for some thought into it, I will tell you that I will defer to you Because if it were my decision, it would be trail segment one, two, three. So I'm not very creative that way. So I have no desire to override what the PRAB recommends. Any additional comments? All right. Clerk W, please call the vote. Council Member Cole? Yes. Council Member Blum? Yes. Council Member Salazar? Yes. Mayor Ingerman? Yes. Mayor Kurtz, have you been? Yes. Council Member Hudson? Yes. The motion passes. All right. Thank you very much. All right. We will move on to comments and reports. City Manager Penny, do you have anything to report this? Mayor, I'm just, and many of you have probably been around it, but the roundabout on Buffalo and Monarch is coming along very well. I did a detailed tour of it today. Really impressed with the traffic improvements that we're going to see to be able to cross Monarch. in that area. The forethought of our public works staff and partnership with the contractor of, and some of this was just new design around the bounce and how the, that I think the presentation at the time may have included it, but the new roundabout design pulls bikes off, builds a sidewalk around and then puts them back on. But seeing that, built with the improved pedestrian crossing. It's just incredibly impressive. One of the things that perhaps going to be now looking at, because we did have to change the grading, because when we did the master plan for Coyote Ridge Park, we did not know there was going to be a roundabout in there. So it is moving some of that dirt. So there is a very nice sledding hill being built there right now. So perhaps going to be considering how to improve that sledding hill in order to use it as a sledding hill. I think it would be a natural one. We're ahead of schedule on that that are probably going to get trouble for saying it, but we might be able to open up the north-south lanes Monday and possibly even this coming Friday, depending upon how the list went today. You're committed to the 20th. We might be able to. I think it's the 20th. Somebody is the 20th. Yeah. I thought it was sort of... So if we impress you and get it open by Friday. But the other thing on this, Mayor, if I may, I mean, I worked with two of you since I started along with Council Member Mulvey and just thinking about in driving around the town today with Bubba Burks and talking about where we were eight years ago with the, at the time, if you recall, the complaints were really in the residential area because they were not on our main arterial roads. And then through the support of the council, the vast majority of the clients were on the residential. And then, you know, we, through the council's support, we really shifted into, we pushed money into the residential. Then through the road solution plan, moved to the arterials, and we're about to be completed on Monarch. from CPP all the way to the, which is some of the heaviest traveled roads could be great. And then we'll have one segment of council briefs budget for next year on that CPP westbound from Monarch to Forest Park. And that really completes the major components of that initial roadway infrastructure, which is good as to all of you for really seeing that when you actually get out there, walk in, you're on the street and seeing those improvements. Just want to thank you for your support on that. It's really been, we're so close to the end of that. And then once we're done with that CPP one, as council's aware, we're going to be really focused with our capital funds on the heavy Canyon interchange. So we'll give everybody the, my overview statement of the cone zone fatigue break in there. So, so I realize that's a little long there, but thanks. I just thank you all. Thank you. All right, council member reports. Let's talk with you, council member Hudson. We're going into executive session, so I'm not going to report anything tonight. Council member Blue. Nothing to report. Mayor Gerson, you're next. Thank you. I do. A couple of things. One is I want to thank council member Hudson for coming to the Douglas County Youth Initiative yesterday to speak on behalf of the Opioid Council. It was very well received. I actually learned a lot. I was... filling under the weather, so I wasn't there in person, but I just want to thank you for that. Secondly, Mr. Penny, once it's opened, I can go to that couple that you ordered me when I was trying to get my petition signed about the road construction. That's my first order of business when I get the email from you saying it's open. But kidding aside, on September 26th, I was fortunate enough to attend the urban planning workshop. And I will tell you, I was there with Mayor and Governor Salazar and Don was there and Lisa. It was one of the most fun things I've done in a long time from a workshop perspective. I don't know, Corey, I thought it was a lot of fun. And I kept saying, as Corey and I were on the same team, we were going through this, you had to make sure that everything fit into a specific budget. You had to have certain housing, you have all this stuff. And I kept using a thing that Mr. Penny says all the time, just doesn't pencil. Anyway, I just appreciated being there. You know, even my professional life with all these workshops, I thought that was a fantastic workshop. Ryan, I know you're going to get to go through it, and I hope you have as much fun as I did. That's it. Thank you. Council Member Salda? Yeah, I just wanted to echo what Council Member Yubik said. It helped me see also the constraints that developers are under because we all want lots of lots, like big spaces and yards and open space. But when you actually sit down and do it, it doesn't always work, especially when you're trying to get a certain price point of houses. It just really helped me see there's a lot that goes into development and be able to see it. And we even mentioned to the Urban Land Institute, if we could do this with residents, too, so they could have a better understanding. And they're wanting to get more of these out to residents. just to help people's understanding that it's not just about the money, but it's about how it all works, how all these different components go together. And it's kind of like Tetris, and it doesn't always work. So I was happy to be able to attend. Was it fun? And it was fun. It was fun to work with our staff. It was fun to work with the Chamber Planning Commission. It was just a great group of people. And to be able to work with them, you know, outside of the normal practices of work, it was nice. I had the opportunity for a third session of the Municipality Illusion Academy. And I have to say, I was just overwhelmed. We went to the Amazon facility in Thornton to see how they managed that operation. And all I can say is, I think it'd be great for all the rest of us. They had 3,000 employees, 24 by 7. and they moved 7 million items. I didn't. My house. But sincerely, I appreciate the opportunities that the council let me attend the academy. We also spent the afternoon at a hospital there in Thornton. And there are management issues. I'll reassure anybody. Staffing, funding, patients. uh it was incredible something inside we got now a real issue from andy johnson so i do appreciate the opportunity you guys gave me and we have another one coming up in november we'll go downtown to hear from some of our city leaders thank you I would just add thanking everyone for being open to the education and participating in that workshop. It's the second time I've done it, and I thought I learned a ton the second time, just like I did the first time. I'm happy that we were able to do that together, and I'm happy, Rhonda, you're going to be able to do that too. And then just a reminder, we have Fall Fest coming up with lots of back... activities coming up on the 23rd and 24th, or 24th and 25th. I knew I was going to get it wrong. 24th and the Friday and Saturday. So lots of activities. Look online for those events. Some of them do require you to sign up ahead of time. But then there's plenty to show up to. So I look forward to seeing the community there as well as the council members. We will go ahead and move into executive session pursuant to CRS 24-6-402 for discussions of specific legal questions with the attorney who represents this body for the purpose of receiving legal advice and pursuant to CRS 24-6-402 for determining positions relative to the matters that may be subject to negotiations, developing strategies for negotiations and instructing negotiators regarding possible crow's nest, annexation, and adjourn the regular meeting from the executive session. Is there a second? Second. Second. Can we have a motion and a second? Clerk W, would you please call the vote? Mayor Ingerman? Yes. Councilmember Cole? Yes. Councilmember Bloom? Yes. Councilmember Salazar? Yes. Mayor Kurtz-Henry-Banks? Yes. Councilmember Hudson? Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. All right. As a reminder, Council, we ask everyone to exit the room. We are staying here, but we will not be using sleep time. I pulled my battery on me.