Ladies from Salt Lake County. Welcome. I'll call our study session in order. And our first item is a presentation from the health department, from Coordination Dorothy Adams, Salt Lake County Health Director. She's going to talk to us about the protocols for water that gets in a system that's not supposed to be consumed. Oh. I.e., mountain water. That's never happened before. Come on up. I am not going to talk about that. Oh. Thank you for letting me join your meeting today. One of my goals, and I'm new in this position, I've been in this position about a year, but I'm not new to the health department. I've worked in the health department for 38 years. A lot of my time is water quality. COVID took it out of people. Exactly. But I was the deputy director for a long time. But what I also did a lot of during the course of my career is I worked in the field. So I was immersed in the cities that I was involved in. So being in environmental health, water quality, I worked a lot at the city level. And I understand the connection that's needed between our department and what the needs are of the communities. Because they're different. Every city is different. So it's a goal of mine. to maintain that connection with the cities because we're your health department. We've had many different names for the health department during the course of my career. Salt Lake City County Health Department when I first started, Salt Lake Valley Health Department, and now Salt Lake County. But I think sometimes by being called Salt Lake County, people don't understand we are the city's health departments. There are no other city health departments other than ours. So we are your health department. We need to understand what your needs are so that our program We're the largest local health department in Utah, not surprisingly. We were accredited in 2014, and that was by a national accreditation. So making sure that the services we provide really are up to snuff with national standards. And then we were named local health department of the year in 2019 by the National Association of City . Social determinants of health, and I'm just going to kind of give you an overview of what we do and Everyone's heard, I think, this term lately. Social determinants of health are things that affect people's health outcomes, like your education, your economic stability, neighborhood, availability of housing, health care in an area, and then social and community context. And what we find in this quadrant of social and community context, a lot of it you to make good decisions ultimately. And really, Whitney is with our coalitions. I'm going to get into that a little bit more. But we found that supporting coalitions, and there's 18 different coalitions throughout the county, that's where communities can build how it looks in their communities to have that connection to their communities, work that makes a difference in their outcomes. We're governed by a board of health that's actually set up in state statutes. And we have 15 members. They represent different areas of Salt Lake County. Because we are a regulating department, so environmental health, food inspections, I think is the best, what we're known for best. But pool inspections, food inspections, all of those kinds of things. We have representation on our board from the regulated community. Who let Wickers on the board? He just recently actually left. He actually just recently left. left and Mayor Lang has replaced Mayor Wickers. He was great. So do we have a Draper person over here? Suzanne is. And actually Scott Brown is as well. He lives in Draper. This is overall our budget. We're almost $68 million. You can see from our funding we rely on grants So this past budgeting cycle has been a little bit interesting for us as we've not really gotten great communication on grants that we have historically received. But we're getting there. 30% is fees. So we charge for services. And we try to recover the entire cost of our service when it makes sense. So we're not going to try and recover the entire cost of our service when we're providing an immunization. Because our goal is to get people the foundational immunizations. But we're going to charge when we're doing the restaurant inspection because that cost can be passed on to those people that decide they want to go to a restaurant. And then a little less, 26% now in county taxes. We have seven different facilities. And this is new. This is close to our new household hazardous waste facility. So that's located in Sandy. For years, I actually started the household hazardous waste program. have collection events in favor. I remember coming out here and having our one day collection event. But participation from the south end of the valley is really what cultivated our desire to have a facility on the south end. Is that open now? Uh-huh. It is, and the transfer station is opening in September. Oh, wow. Yeah. So you can go to that in time during regular business hours? We can, and it's free. We actually fund the program. through a fee that the health department assesses on private and public landfills. So it's not, tax dollars are not being used to fund that. We started the program about 35 years ago, which dates me a little bit. So like paints, oils? Paints, oils, pesticides, electronics, so a little TV, computer, we take all of that. We actually even offer, which I think is really important, we offer a service to small businesses. So if you're a paint contractor and you have where if you call the hazardous waste facility to come and take whatever paid product you have, they charge you for a full round. If they come to our facility, we just charge them for the amount that they take out. So it makes it very affordable for businesses to do the right thing. We're regulatory, and we'll get into like with storm drain. So if you're seeing a business illegally putting stuff in the storm drain, sometimes it's just because they think, I can't afford to do the right thing. So it's important for us to provide opportunities for them to do the right thing. But we're located throughout the county. And this is kind of our oldest facility. The public health center sat on that corner for over 50 years. So obviously it didn't look like that 50 years ago. Foundational public health services, and it's really how we divide the division work that we do. So communicable diseases, investigation, we're doing that all the time. The surveillance that goes on. Everyone has heard about measles. Our team is watching measles. as cases, thankfully, none in our county. I keep keeping my fingers crossed for the barrier between Utah County and us. But we're standing still at just 11 cases. So it looks like we've missed it for right now. But that division is made up of epidemiologists. We're also tracking respiratory illness, keeping track. We get a lot of information hospitals have to report to us and keeping track of that. Environmental health. We have water quality, air quality, sanitation and safety, and food protection. Our maternal child adolescence, that is our clinical services division. So this team really is comprised of our immunization work that we do. We have a travel clinic as well. One thing that we've done as a lesson learned from COVID is that we're trying to make our services more accessible so people don't have to come to our brick and mortars. We have an outreach team that goes around to senior centers and places like that just to make services more available to them. And then chronic disease, injury prevention, that's between Matt Whitney's part of that. Are you seeing a drop in people being willing to get vaccinated from the childhood? Is it really truly going down? It is, yeah. It is truly going down. And what we learned from the states, like measles, for example, it's not, we have databases. Lake County. So we do have areas where we are below herd immunity, measles is extremely contagious. So out of 100 people, 95 have that immunization, or would have had to have had it to not get it if somebody in that room had it. So it's important to get that information out. There's a lot of data about the safety of MMRs. But I think because of COVID, I mean, people just don't want to be told to So we do track that, and we provide a lot of information to schools, knowing that if somebody decides they don't want to get it, they will be excluded if there is an outbreak in the school for their safety, obviously, because they would be more inclined to get it. And then, so our last bureau is our community health bureau. When we're looking at our capabilities, partnerships are huge for us. We can't do all the work. More gets added to the plate of public health. We need to be working with our partners so that we're not trying to do it all. Policy development, that's a lot of our regulations, and that's where our Board of Health really gives us a good perspective on things that we should be addressing, things we see in the community. When I started a million years ago, we had huge waste tire piles in Salt Lake County. We didn't have them out there, but they were on the west side. Yeah, they were huge, millions. And so with that knowledge, we worked with the state and other local health departments to develop the waste tire legislation may not like it to charge put a fee on new tires. But what that has resulted in is we don't have tire prices anymore. And so we're watching when we're in the community things that are problematic and looking at what other states are doing, other communities, so that we're keeping up with things rather than responding to problems. Communications is important. It's probably the most challenging thing. You're communicating what we do, how we do it. But we, I know Nick has joined us. Nick Rupp is our public runs our information office. And he works with all the PIOs throughout the county. And organizational competencies, making sure that our staff are top of the line. I would say they definitely are. And then emergency preparedness and response. And that's important. So preparing for the next emergency. Cross paths with some of you in the room during the boil order. That's a lot of what falls into this. So we have plans. We're not running around So getting into like when we're seeing problems and I also worked in, as I said, water quality and just looking at when you're seeing problems in our community, you're all eyes for us too. And as we work with your code enforcement officers and your police department, they're seeing a lot of these things get out and about in the community and just making sure they have, they know what they can report to us and how we can help them. So storm drains, big thing, this is a Not a good thing. People should never be discharging stuff into our storm drains because storm drain water, unlike in some cities, goes just immediately into our water pipes. It's not treated, which would make some people, if you move from another area, you may think that it goes to another facility. We don't. It's really expensive. So we try to educate businesses that that is not a place that you should be discharging things. These are obviously allowable discharges. cool water that's been dechlorinated, so even if you have your hot tub, you should neutralize it before you're putting it out into the storm drain. Putting it on your grass is probably the best thing to do, which is what I do. I should mention, too, chemical spills. We go out on all of the chemical spills. So we're out whenever there's any kind of an accident that involves a release of a chemical, we go out 24-7. So we're always... going out to make sure that waterways are protected, the environmental is protected. So housing standards, this is where, this obviously is a picture of a hoarder, hoarder's home. And we respond to meth contamination. So we work closely with police departments. So if a structure is closed because of meth contamination, we are closing the home to occupancy. Or if they're responding to somebody that has been cooking or using meth, And the reason behind is we want to make sure that if that home becomes vacated or if these people go back to living there, they're not exposed to meth. And that's unfortunately a program that has evolved over time. Meth didn't used to even be on our radar. Now it's something that we work a lot in. We also respond to complaints lackable of heat, electricity, water, hot water, all of those things, making sure that people have housing that is safe. Pest infestations. Road cockroach, we do all of that, bed bugs, we have tons of information on that. Mosquito harborage, I hope everybody knows that we have West Nile virus case in our community. Hopefully you saw that information, so make sure that you are wearing your repellent. And what's the most recent case that we had or type? Encephalitis. Encephalitis virus. Oh, that's positive. Mosquito pools as of today, and that'll be announced tomorrow. Yeah, so you'll see it in the news. What area was it? Yeah, I mean, I'm working at the health department. I was like, I've never been to my house. But important to be mindful of that, especially children, right? Making sure that they're wearing their repellent. So we respond to these kinds of things if there's no toilet accessible. That's obviously a mental illness. It's a sad situation. We'll close homes to occupancy at times. We try to work with to make sure if there's resources, they can be connected to them. And then wood burning on Air Action Day. We can't respond to lack of air conditioning mold, which is surprising to many people. We don't respond to that. And then evictions and exterminations, we don't get into the thick of that. Huge focus for us. I know you're not going to get out, sorry. This is, yeah, not something you want to see. But a lot of our focus sure they understand the ramifications of things that they may think are okay. So we go out, we perform inspections, we identify problems, but it's not just to say you're doing this wrong. It's to provide more education about the why. People coming from different cultures oftentimes don't understand why we're asking people to do the things that we ask, and we have culturally appropriate communications trying to make sure that know that there are the issues that need to be solved. We educate all of these businesses. So your body art, tattoo, nail salons, massage, tanning, swimming pools. Food safety obviously has just blown up with all of the food carts that are out there, and food trucks, and mass gathering events. So it keeps our staff really busy. I would say our Food Protection Bureau among the best or the best in the state. They're highly educated. They're great at communicating. And we do a lot to protect people from, when they go to those events, not getting sick. And we can't respond because UDAP does. So Utah Department of Agriculture responds and works on food manufacturing grocery stores. And the medical offices are Department of Health and Human Services. Encampments and Degree. So we do work on this program. with cities closely to work with the occupants. If somebody is illegally camping on a property, we go in and we'll notice them, that they're not allowed to be in those spaces, and then work with the cities. And we'll notice them that we're going to clean it up. There's problems with, when we started this program, there have been encampments that have been in place along the Jordan River for years. And it was really concerning the health of those areas for the inhabitants as well. We, unfortunately, this problem doesn't seem to be getting better. Salt Lake City has obviously the of these encampments, but I've heard that because they're doing a lot more to take the encampments out of Salt Lake City that they're pushing them further south. So if you see these things developing in your community, certainly reach out to us and we can work with you on best practices that we've learned over the years of doing this. So how do you handle that? How do you move on? So we go in and we'll notice them, letting them know we're coming back to clean and remove them from the area. Identifying social programs, we'll oftentimes go in with other agencies that provide social programs, trying to connect them to resources, making them aware of beds that may or may not be available. And then we work with the cities who have contractors. We used to actually go in and clean up. So we had our staff out there cleaning up things, which it was not sustainable. So now we work with the cities who have, Salt Lake City has a contractor that comes in and just cleans it all up. Tons. What was it last year? Was it 1,500 tons of waste was brought to? 1,400. There you go. See? Yeah. He has a memory like there's no one. So it's a lot of waste. Wow. It's a lot. Do they generally leave when you say, hey, we're going to be back to clean it? Yeah, they do not. I think there might be times that they have to be encouraged by police officers. So we have police officers with us. I mean, there was a time when we were really getting attacked by the people who are proponents of people who are experiencing homelessness. That's a serious rebar. We have a noise regulator that sets certain standards for decibel levels during the day and at night. If there's construction activities, which there's lots going on in the valley during the summer, they have to pull a temporary noise permit from us. And then large equipment, dumpster pickups, your garbage pickup, they should never be picking up before 7 o'clock at night. And I remember that. But that's why. And noise does affect people's health. You're not getting good sleep because there's noise that has been shown to cause bad outcomes for people. And so that's why we have a noise ordinance. We don't respond. That's the fun of the police department, responding to loud parties, fireworks, and then loud motor vehicles. There were noise ordinances in Salt Lake City and San at one point, but they're no longer on the books for us. I think the police department still supports that. And then our foundational public health programs, immunizations, nutrition assistance. WIC is a great service, so making sure your residents are aware. We have a great resource card that we'll share with you. Home visiting for lower income, so families that we actually have that traditional public health nurse that's actually going after the home helping these families be successful in terms of nutrition knowing what resources are available it's amazing they've shown our nurse family partnership program and our parents as teachers they're both evidence based programs and they show that the investment dollar wise has enormous savings in terms of the outcomes of the families and that we provide vital records so we have birth and deaths We are not, we're population based, we're not individual care based. So we do not have clinicians that will come for normal updates for their clinical needs. As I stated before, and this is, I think, an important piece for our department, we can't do any of our work if we don't have that connection to our communities. To know communities are different, so we can't have one size fits all. So as we're providing services and education, we have to and what resonates in communities. We have 18 community coalitions. We monitor the health of the community via data. We have a great dashboard that you can drill down to your specific city. So you can look at the outcomes of Draper residents compared to other cities in Salt Lake County and even compared to Utah as a whole and then nationally. It's a great way, and that's what a lot of the coalitions will do. They'll look at that data to understand What are the priorities? What are things we should be working on? Because the data is showing that our outcomes aren't in par with others. So this being a great example. Adults with cancer, you're doing great. No, not great. our department is a division within human services. So as I've given this presentation, I've had questions about senior centers, rep departments, those kinds of things. If you have Salt Lake County facilities, just know that if you need to navigate to find services for your citizens and you don't know who to call, you can call me and I can try to connect you with the right person. At one of my presentations, I had a question about senior centers It's hard to navigate all of the different resources that are out there. So we're going to help as well. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for your time. I know you guys have a busy agenda, but yeah, absolutely. We appreciate your response on our water issue that we had that we thought communicating with your department. Yeah, good. I'm going to pull one thing out of the order. Chief Ferguson, you're up next. It's good to be with you tonight. I'm here to revisit something that we talked about in 2023. Everybody except the council at that time. We talked about plot camera systems. our license plate readers, the LPRs, that are positioned at fixed locations throughout our city. We currently do not have them anywhere in Draper. Everywhere from Ogden to Nephi has LPR readers. Draper's just kind of this black hole. And this comes to my attention, or comes to me to bring to you right now, because we've had several cases, significant cases to Draper that have been solved with other people's, other agencies, LPRs recently. One of them was our, recently we had eight smash and grab burglary, mostly dental offices on 123rd and other offices over here on 123rd. We came up with a suspect description on those from one of the cameras inside. So we had a picture of a guy, we don't know who he is. And then we have a witness that on another one saw a vehicle leaving and matched the description. We put it in the LPR, and we get hit out of South Salt Lake on this vehicle. Our detectives go up to South Salt Lake. They're looking in the area where the hit comes from. They don't find it, but on the ground in this lot, there's a cell phone. They pick it up. It's a cell phone out of a dentist's office here in Draper. So now we know we're on to the right guy. The next day, the LPR hits again in South Salt Lake. Our detectives go up, see the picture of our suspect. There's the guy. make the arrest, he confesses to all of them, plus 13 that happened in Sandy. LPR worked really well for that. The other one was Corner Canyon High School. Last school year, we had a man with a gun call come in in the parking lot. Guy approached a student, had a weapon, had some drugs. A student went inside, said, all I know is that it's a blue car. The student was an exchange student, too, so there was a little bit of a language gap there. It was a blue car, and it had a sticker that was red with some orange on it or something. That's all we need. We put that in the LPR, but by the time we got that data in, the suspect had already made it up to the U of U, and the U of U LPR hits this car. We get a positive confirmation. It's our suspect. We're able to make an arrest on him. We've had several things that have happened recently where we could have used LPR, and we could have made some pretty quick of who our suspects are. The Potato Hill fire came in that there were kids shooting off bottle rockets. We had a description of a vehicle, but we don't have any LPR in our city, so we had nothing to go on. I guarantee, I think if we'd have had one at the top of the hill or at the bottom on Highland or right down here on Bangor, we'd have probably got hit on that car and we could have maybe found out who these people are. Another one, we had a 10-year-old suicidal girl off of Suncrest area. We didn't have a vehicle to go on at that time. But if we would have had something, it turned into, we had resolved that, thank goodness. But as a chief, it scared me to death because I thought I had an abduction. We found the contents of her bicycle and backpack in the field, which looked like an abduction. So we were canvassing every single house, bringing cameras, everything for any car that grab this grid. And that's another case that as a chief, I would have liked to have had that force multiplier for our department. I didn't bring any slides other than just to tell you we're a black hole. There is nothing here in Draper. It's not a cheap venture to get into. But by comparison, I can tell you this. In one month, in the last month, there have been, in the Salt Lake Valley, there have been 130,000 LPR hits. And an LPR hit is on the back of the vehicle. So it can be anything from an expired registration to an NCIC hit out of Los Angeles for a homicide suspect. It ranges from people with warrants or wanted subjects or people who are being looked at for investigative purposes. But in just one month in this valley, 130,000 hits. By my math, with 500 acres square within Salt Lake Valley or square miles, 30 of them here in Draper, we could probably have about 8,000 just in Draper alone. These are hits that are going off all the time. They're telling us who's coming in and out of our city. So I'm coming to you tonight to kind of re-pitch this to the council that we consider putting LPR cameras at fixed locations within our city. My biggest nightmare is to have an Elizabeth Smarter in a Dutchman. And one of our fixed goals within the police department is to use technology to support law enforcement and support public safety. Everybody knows about LPR. I don't know personally what I would tell a citizen. I'm not using this as a scare tactic. This is just a very realistic thing that's in my mind all the time. How would I tell them, I'm sorry, I don't have them here. But I put it in the database and I'm hoping that another city will give us that technology. So I think I'd be remiss as your chief if I didn't come forward and declare this again, that this is something I think we should be strongly considering for our city. We have designated, and I won't talk about it in this meeting, but we have designated 14 locations within our city that we believe would be very strongholds for us. If we did have an abduction, if we did have a robbery that just occurred, if we had a shooting, if we had a drive-by, another potato hill, whatever it may be, that we could enter this data in immediately and that we could probably get a hit on a vehicle within a few minutes and then there would be some kind of a stop, an arrest, an identification. Again, so you know, this is not facial recognition. This has nothing to do with Fourth Amendment privacy issues. This is stuff that's on the back of the car only. It only captures the back of the vehicle as it goes by. But it is so precise that I only need one number and a blue car. There's an L in the license plate. It's a blue truck. That's all I saw. We put that in and it's going to immediately give us some data if it goes by one of our designated chokeholds. So you think you need about 14? We've come up with 14. Because we're trying to be... responsible. I mean, if you go to Ogden, they're on every block. There's not a block in Ogden that's on each other. Some of the other cities, yeah, that many. But I think 14. Again, I don't want to talk about our locations in this meeting, but. What's the cost? What's the cost? Yeah, what's the cost? Good question. First year, because we will not own the equipment, technology is evolving so rapidly. I don't know if they'd be to our advantage to own this equipment. First year is $45,780, and ongoing is $39,000. So it's a two-year contract that I'd be entering into for $85,000, or roughly $86,000. I was expecting to be more than that, to be honest. Does that include the install and everything? Yes. Yeah, that includes the equipment they keep here. It's not our equipment. It's the company called Blocks Equipment. Some equipment I think it's to our advantage to own. I don't personally believe it's to our advantage. Are these like the LIV portable units that you see with the blue light? No. These are on fixed location poles that are out there. And if you start looking, you might see them. They're solar. They're directional. They're dialed in on a specific area where there's a lot of traffic that generates a lot of hits. Is the cost based on the number of cameras? Yeah. That's per camera. Do they handle the maintenance and replacement? They handle the maintenance. They handle the replacement. If I choose to move one, they'll go out and move it for us. So you're really only accessing this data if a crime had taken place. That's the only time. That's the only time. And if you remember their presentation, I believe they purged it after a couple of days. They don't hold on to this information for a long time unless they get a hit or an inquiry from a law enforcement agency. And then they'll trap that and it gets highlighted. So did they handle the hosting and housing of the data and everything? Yeah. So that price includes all of it? And it's only surveilling public streets anyways, right? Right. You don't have a right to privacy there anyways. And then we could help other entities and municipalities with having them. Absolutely. They're helping us right now. What communities have it and don't have it? Is that appropriate to ask? Everybody but us. That's an easy question. If you go down the highland right now or at the bottom of the hill, if you go across the freeway river Sandy, every single artery going out of our city into Sandy has. We've got to find a way to fund this. So would you use it for expired registration? I mean, what are you going to go after? No, no, we wouldn't. It's going to come up a revoked registration. Somebody who's had their heart, it should be something like that. But no, we're not planning to use it for that. It's an investigative tool, and that's all it is. We don't have time to go out and sit on one and then wait for... We have to actually enter in the request for it to come back to us. Do you remember a couple years ago there was a kid that killed his family down in Spanish Fork? They knew that he took the family car, they put it in a block, and they caught him in Colorado. So they literally got the hit, and a trooper was right on top of him. And so it tells you... And that's how we got our guy on this ring of burglaries that we have here. I think it's money well spent. It's a long arm of the law for a pretty decent price. Yeah, I think they have a hard time. I hate to say in the olden days, but I can now with the court. In the olden days, when we had something like this, we put out what was called a 10-200, and it went out statewide. And we had 10-200 locations where every officer had to respond to sit and watch for a blue van. Well, you know, when that happens, five blue vans will buy you at once, and you're chasing after them. You don't know which one it is, but it's a blue van with a Boston Red Sox sticker on the back and an L in license plate that tells you which one it is. So you're saying get out of the days of Mayberry? I'm not saying that. I'm saying I love technology. I don't quite comprehend it all the way up to Jake, but I do appreciate it, and it is a force multiplier for us, and I believe it Do we need a resolution that adopts this and then a budget amendment for it? I think what we'll do is come up with a funding source, Mike, and we'll come back. Are three of you at least interested? I am. I am. All of you are? OK. So we'll come back with a budget amendment. Just so you know, with the shooting up north, we're helping out. Thank you. What a terrible tragedy. Bad deal. Just so you all know, Pat Evans, Captain Evans is our COP. He's a COP rep. So part of his job in that private organization is to help families who lose their loved one in law enforcement service. They've asked for Pat to be able to help with the funerals and make sure the families are taken care of from that perspective. Mike and I, hopefully, then, if we have a problem, we're going to task Pat to it. He's very good at it. And they need it. They don't have the resources there. lot of us cities have that they certainly have the tragedy well he unfortunately has had experience with this unfortunately but pat's very good at it and they've asked him to help and so i contacted the mayor and told him he'll be there to help you so anyway all right thank you chief next to go back in order yep jennifer you're up Jennifer's back with our favorite topic. Jennifer's back with our favorite topic, stationery plant. Will you put just the X2 on the pop-up? Don't do the install. the overall layout. I want to show you guys get some feedback as we're fine tuning the final document here. So I'll start with Kimball's. So we did one rendering for each station versus multiple like we did with Town Center just because it is so spread out between the different stations. The rendering we did for Kimball's focuses on the UTA site versus the Olivari Farm and Edge Homes property. I do wanna say the concept we've come up with for the Edge property, this is not their concept. They're still working on their concept plan. This does include the same amount of density that they've gotten approved through the development agreement as well as the same kinds of building heights they're looking at. So we've tried to incorporate those elements while also including the things that we think are important, the trail along the canal, street connections, pedestrian connections, that kind of thing. Jennifer, can I ask a question too? Isn't it possible that little triangular piece on 119th South, just east of, the plan, isn't that maybe kind of going to maybe be included in this possibly? This one? Yes. You'll see a rezone request come before you soon on that piece. Edge has a purchase contract with this property owner to purchase it. So they're going to rezone it the same as they've rezone the rest of the property. Because during the planning process, that wasn't part of their property You have a trail delineated along the eastern now? Yes. And what does it connect into on the bottom? Right now it would be the public road of a hermitage south. That's the question I had. I just didn't want to go on the conversation. The UTA property is looking at building on the UTA property. property we have the three-story condos you can see in the background there of what edge may build we didn't want to show too much you know detail their their their product this would be a three-story mixed The station's a station on the north side of 114th in Sandy. So half that radius is within our six, so we need to account for that. Sandy has already done their station area plan that looks at development next to the station. For the city side, the majority of the property is already developed. So we really just kind of looked at potential infill on the Harmon's property. The majority of it public comments we received during the open house was just concerned of, you know, losing a favorite restaurant or apartments itself, that kind of thing. So we did want to look at just how do we get some infill but also, you know, keep apartments, keep some of the uses that are there. So this is again looking at a three-story mixed-use building where we can still have retail along the ground floor. but then also introduce some housing. The plan does call for some step backs in the back where on the west side of the project where it's adjacent to residential. That's interesting. So that's residential on the second and third floors? Yes. No, you won't. So the Crescent View station, this is applicable for the Kimball's Lane station as well. There's a lot of concern around added traffic onto 700. I think, Tasha, it's more concerning on Kimball's Lane than it is. Yeah, I think it's going to impact both areas. But yeah, Kimball's Lane is a problem. I mean, it is a UDOT road. I don't know if you know what their plans are, but from my understanding, it's to eventually kind of continue what they have on the north of Sandy down. I think that was their intention, but they did that portion and the portion just south, like Pioneer to 123rd. At the time, they told me they had no interest in widening, except because the canal would have I'm gonna have to be. that how do we submit a transit area plan that then has a UDOT roads that will take play in it without having some UDOT in it? Yeah, you have to. That seems really crazy. Yeah, and the things that would impact UDOT roads, it's looking at potential improvements on the road. working with UDOT, potentially doing studies, things like that. Mayor, has there been a discussion on any of that that you've heard about with how UDOT? Our representative, Mr. Roberts, is working. There's some stuff being brewed to talk about ways to get infrastructure so it can handle what actually the development can have. Because a lot of this, although we're planning it, can't really happen because they don't have the infrastructure. So we get freaked out about it. But until the infrastructure comes in, there's not a way to do it. So yeah, they're talking about it. There's a few ideas of what they're moving along with. And back to the Kimbells, you know, it's going to widen. Do we have enough of a setback for that? We can double check that. I believe because Elgin Place kept that width. So it looks like we probably did, but we can double check that. And what about expanding Kimball's? How are we going to adjust? You mean having to go straight up to 7th East? That would be better. Yeah. So the stationary plan talks about looking into and studying straightening Kimball's out to 7th. Is that possible? It's feasible. There's definitely some challenges. And it's something we would need to look at. It would be someone's paper. It just doesn't make sense to me. If that does happen, I think UTA would not allow any kind of crossing here. Well, sure, you shut that down. That would have to close. some alignment issues, it does solve a lot of safety issues. It would be so much better with the tracks crossing. It's really dangerous right there. So the stationary plan calls for that to be looked into and studied as a viable option. Can we highlight that and say we highly recommend that connection? Yeah. I'm sorry. I got to ask a clarifying question. So are you saying, Mayor, what you say, if the infrastructure is not built to support this plan, it's going to be difficult for the plan to move forward until that infrastructure is built? Well, I don't know if that's necessarily the case on this stretch of road. There's a lot of spots where that's the case, like there's infrastructure issues. But the stationary planning is just planning. It's not getting into those weeds. That's not our job. It's not in stone. It's just to have a plan. Essentially, the goal of the stationary plan is to get the density in everybody's mind, that this can be up to this much in density. How it fits together, that's all yet to be determined. But that's the point of the stationary plan. So they do include an implementation plan at the end that looks at, in a five-year period, what can be done to help further? this, you know, updating our zoning to allow for the development, doing the study on straightening out Campbell, things, things like that, improving a way to find sign package for Porter, Roswell, working with UTA to modify crossings, things like that, that cities and the entities can and partners can work towards to make a development. And for the study, was that something that the city would do, or we would ask UDOT? I'm not sure at this point. So it could be something we do. It would probably be a joint project. We have two roads that are UDOT roads that are going to be highly impacted by these stationary roads, 123 and 700 East. And so it's just a major concern for me that we're not going to be able to fix those roads ourselves, but we're putting a huge amount of traffic But see, that's the point that I'm trying to ask is if those can't be in the plan to support that plan, it shouldn't be able to go forward until that's put in place. Right. But we don't control the roads, so we're a little bit handcuffed. But if we have the traffic study in there. We're a lot handcuffed. We're a lot handcuffed. Yeah. I've never seen a traffic study that said something couldn't work. That is true. The last one, VISTA, because the zoning of the station has already approved all the density and building height, the stationary plan really kind of focuses on place making and how to, as infill takes place, how do you make it more of a neighborhood? How do you get people there? The plan looks at kind of creating a center kind of walkway with commercial uses with the infill, but also looks at trying to get crossing over the station so those on the east side of the rail line can actually access the front runner station. That's a big issue in this area is we've got a lot of homes and industry on the east side that just physically can't get from the station to their work. And then so we've, so the rendering looks at kind of that one of the existing buildings. You can see a bridge going over the rail line here in the back. And then you can see the new buildings and pedestrian way. Any comments? I don't have any concern about the Vista one, personally. I've been using this station a lot lately. My brand takes various registers. About the height. About everything. And not being utilized. Yeah. Done some recent ranting as of this morning. I mean, I think this area could be so much more than it is right now. It's kind of a sad area right now. And the streets are like parking lots for trailers with trash along the roadway. It could be really cool. I would like to see it more like this. Yeah. Really. Yeah. I agree. But keep in mind, Jen highlighted, You're talking about the entire parcel is now non-taxpaying, publicly owned piece of rock. Never envisioned it ever when we did it way back in the day. And so it's a hole in the tax assessed value. But keep in mind, this 110 acres inside Vista Station, its tax assessed value prior to it was under $6 million. John, it's almost $800 million right now. It's proof that it works. But the single biggest person or biggest taxing entity that gets the money in the increment is the school district. So it's a very interesting nose, face, cutting off, if you will. Which I don't think they connected the dots on that. Did they tell after the... I'm not sure if they did. I think they did some dot connection but not full dot connection. I don't know. So that changed it immensely because that could have been... That infill could have been all of the stuff you're thinking about. And who knows? They may not keep the parking lot. They may not keep that entire... If they sell it off, it becomes... They could lease it. There's a lot of questions around it. I don't think the elementary school is part of the initial basis of it, from what I understand. But the only residential in this entire site is that ivory. Yes. I live right now. Not too much. To the left. Yeah. Well, we're supposed to get a new elementary somewhere on this west side, right? Was it supposed to be by Jensen Farm? Oh, they sold that. They sold that. So is this now that? That or something in a building on the point. Yeah. I haven't heard of it. I heard it was for the point. I haven't heard of it. Oh, so the point school is moving here. Okay. Yeah. I haven't heard of it. It would be good to connect across the railway because Swire, I've talked to them a number of times, they have a lot of employees that would ride like a frontrunner to work, but right now it's super problematic. They can't get to work. And this frontrunner double track, which is coming, it's going to make frontrunner a 15-minute service most of the day. It'll become super viable for people to get around, at least up and down the spine. So that would be a huge investment to make across either there. How soon is that double track going to be operating, do you think? I think they've started on some already. The bulk of it's going to be next year. It's a lot of money, $300 million. All right. Well, we'll be back in September with the overall Thank you for getting us under the timetable and the deadlines and the penalty phase, if you will. All right, then that takes us to Robert. You might never call a cop in your life in the city, but you're going to expect the garbage guys to be there. Right, Robert? You may never be rich once. You might live here your whole life. But if that garbage truck does not show up, you are pissed. This is true. Tasha's texting you on a Saturday. You are. I don't know why they always forget me. So about four months ago, we came to you guys with our issues associated with risk and liability safety on solid waste services on private streets. We presented all the reasoning why And this is just a refresher of that same presentation. Pink are already private streets. That we're collecting on or just private streets? That are serviced by a sort of collar. Blue and green are streets that we currently pick up on that either have to be backed into or there is a way to get through it. But we determined, you guys directed us to go out for an RFP to just do all the private streets. Unfortunately, we only got one response back. It was from Ace. So currently, our rates for basic service, you get a 96 gallon garbage can and a 96 gallon recycling can for $15 a month. That's been the same fee since 2009. There's problems associated with that. We need to raise it moving forward, especially now with transportation opening. It's much higher typically. And then additional containers, $10 a month for garbage, $2.50 a month for recycling, which in the past, This ends up costing more than this because recycling doesn't really generate value anymore. So that's really outdated. Also been the same since 2009. Ace came in. They gave us the basic service of the two cans for $22 more a month. And then additional cans at $11 each. But Ace would bill these people on their own? Nope. They would expect us to bill them still? This would be $25 more a month if they had The problem associated with it is a lot of these don't have HOAs or even approved easements, so they have no way to go after these people if they don't pay. This is going to ask you to speculate, but we haven't raised our rates since 2009. Do you have an idea in your head of what a market rate would be right now? We need our costs, $37. And I'll break down at $37. No, more than likely we would initiate a smaller thing, but then the landfill has adopted over the next several years. We have to be aggressive because the hauling costs with these big trucks to bring from the transfer stations, we close the landfill in 10 years maybe. We have to build another transportation, and then we'll be hauling all the way to Bayview, which is on the southwest side of Utah Lake. So you're talking significant hauling fees. But we're still way cheaper than anywhere else. So those private lanes that are already being serviced by an outside service, is that ACE that's doing that? Some of them are ACE. Some of them are Republic. Some of them are Waste Management. So it's all individual. Those individual lanes are contracting with someone. So when they came in, they chose to just go private, or we denied it based on access limitations. But most of those, they started at the private hauler before we switched to our services. If we go 37 a month and we're doing the billing, we've got to add another buck or something. probably for that, or we build it in for the overall fee. Sorry. So their justification, and I went back and forth, that's why it's taken so long to present this to you, is because I was like, you guys can't come down at all. Up until yesterday, I was hoping they could just do, people could opt in for just a $22 garbage can and not do recycling, since it's not technically going to our landfill, it's not going to provide recycling, but that would dramatically change the fees because if there were six people on a private lane and five of them chose not to do recycling but there was one can, they're still going in there with all the risk. They just get that one can, so it becomes even less efficient. So the excess amounts of backing in in the limited space require the use of a veteran driver and a spotter. So that's their proposal. They're going to have a spotter that would actually get out, walk behind the truck, make sure they also have Whether or not they really do that, I would follow them around and see. If you don't have a spotter, I'd be like, your numbers are garbage. But they feel that you need to have a highly experienced veteran driver and spotter on the route, because the risk of excessive backing is too much to do this job without it. And that's why we're getting out of it. That's where the majority of our accidents happen. It's only a matter of time before something really bad happens. They don't even talk about it, but a lot of these streets are up in the Suncrest area that they don't use our plowing. So there are days where we just there solid ice and then they're calling and screaming yelling at you guys because we haven't picked them up that winter of 22 23 it was so bad because there were times we couldn't get into their private lane for two or three weeks that i actually went up there in a pickup truck and threw garbage cans in gave them new garbage cans late into the evening thank you um our other issue is that just so you guys understand turnover in this department is ridiculous currently I'm down not just vacant positions but I just hired two new ones because we backfilled some positions they have to be trained I have one that's out for several months on FNLA one of the new drivers isn't going to work out so it's just constant so we're down four drivers But there you can get them. And when they're all here, technically, we might have too many people. But they all call in. They get in accidents. So it's just a problematic division. So those are expenses. That is pretty significant. I understand that. But that's a decision you guys have to make. Well, what other choice do we have? I mean, we just keep. We can keep paying off suits and spend more money than that over time and maybe kill somebody. How much of our liability do we really eliminate by contracting this out? Because even here they said if they went without a spotter, it would be looked at as a major liability for the city. In the first paragraph. Do we get a better rate if we contracted all of the waste for the city? Yeah, probably. Yeah, that's a good question, Mike. What would it cost if... How much could they lower that price? Can we just stop running it ourselves? I don't think they're passing the liability on to us. They're saying we would have to have the spotter or it would be too much liability. Well, it just says for the city. If we told them don't use the spotter. Well, we went to our own waste pick up back in 2009 because you only have two big competitors. and they were raising the rates. They were raising them fast and furious, and they wouldn't deal. You can certainly look at going back to it. If you eliminate any discussion and consideration of risk and liability, we do provide better service, and we make money. Five minutes earlier, they might have been putting those bikes in the back of the truck. So the ones that are already privately done, they do the whole lane because they're not going to come for long. So they somehow do the track. Some of those in the map, they may be front load dumpsters, like in apartment complexes or condominium complexes. But yeah, a lot of those. Either that or they drive their cans to the public roads and go back down the road. Yeah, yeah. Explore them. You can comment on that. Yeah, so that was another thing we discussed that night, and I've discussed it with Ace, because I went back and forth with their pricing. We came in at the end of May, and I went for another month with Amy, trying to see if they could lower it. The problem with that is it's all based on a household account. So if they don't really know, then the pricing goes up even down there. We give dumpsters to those people in the private lane, and then it's just a dumpster pickup? If we're doing the roll-off, it's the same access issues, and then you'll have We don't even do neighborhood roll-off programs very often anymore because we were almost getting into fights last time we did it in Suncrest. Sneak in and pile it up. Health department concern. What's your ask tonight, Robert? To either consider moving forward with the private streets or we can discuss other options. Like I said, I mean, we can certainly look at trying to get a spotter. We'd have to change our routes. separate those private rows. We have to adjust our rates even more. Ace is looking for a decision because they've kind of been hanging and trying to figure out their staffing and their employees. So we keep telling them, just be patient, just be patient. But at some point, they're either going to say, pound sand or... We individually fill these to those... part of that utility bill. It is part of the utility bill. And we're already doing that billing, so there's really not a lot of excess cost in us doing that. We'll have to do some reconciliations between base and ourselves. And we will still deliver and pick up cans. We'll own the cans. How are we locked in on that pricing to prevent any type of unreasonable increase? The proposed contract was locked in for a year. I think we associated it with CPI, so it comes just number price index. My view of it is the liability's not worth it, how to pay the actual cost of it, but private waste collection's expensive. But on these private lanes, I mean. I think it's the cost of living on the private lane, right? I mean, I live in an HOA, and my HOA pays for ACE to come pick up the garbage, and I pay $248 a month for my HOA dues that include whatever ACE charges us to come get my garbage once a week. So I own that and deal with that cost on a daily basis. I don't have the city waste. So I'm fine with passing this on and getting the right protection for the city at this point. I mean, it doesn't eliminate all of our liability rights. It's still one of the most dangerous questions in the country. I don't know what costs associated with that. I don't know if we evaluated it, but extra mechanics, extra. Well, that's a whole different discussion if you want to get out of the salt waste business, that you consider that, right? Why don't we get a bid from them to see what it costs for the whole city? Why don't we not compare the two of them one more time? It's been a while since we've done it. We would have this, though. You want to move forward with this part right now? I mean, I get what John's saying here. We can't keep... Right, so I'm okay with this. We would have to go out. We'd have to write a whole other RFP for the whole city. I think you should do this now, man. I can bid it later on the whole city. Give this now, and then rebid the whole city, and then tell them to adjust the rate on the private lanes. Well, you mean rebid the city of what we're picking up now. Not everybody else's private lane. Not coming on yours? Yes. No, I don't think we have the right to do that, but every public . I think my HOA would like to talk to you guys about that. I think if we don't do it, we're just going to be having this discussion again. Because it's not going to work to try to hire a spotter. You're just kicking the garbage can down the road. That's right. But I don't know that we've resolved the problem with waste being a problematic department and continually losing people and not being able to hire people and getting people who aren't really prepared to do the job. There's a driver who's going to be a lot happier not backing down his private lines. Yeah. But in general, they're not that happy. Can individual streets opt out of and go with their own private, find a provider that works for their street? And the second question I have is the messaging, because this is a big, this would be a big thing for a lot of people. Specifically, if I could point to some that I think might be difficult messages. For instance, like Draper Heights, those are basically publicly billed roads. There's no backing in issues, but we decided as a whole. Yeah, but right now the general fund is subsidizing garbage collection. We have a claim that's coming out of the general fund to pay it. So it's not fair. I mean, yeah, it's a big jump, but it's the cost of life. Yeah. Still cheap. $37 a month for your garbage here all month? But I think to Marsh and Fred's point, we have to look at also the regular rate, because if that's not what it should be, let's adjust them all at the same time. And I can get Fred to help out with the transport financially. Are three of you at least good with going with this based on the rest of these streets? Yes. I see all of you. Yes. Well, it doesn't sound like there's much of a choice. Okay. Thanks, man. I have one more quick one. Is that next? Yeah. Robert, you're up. This will be very quick, hopefully. So LTAP, which is through Utah State, they provide training for specifically public works type stuff. One item of training that they do provide is heavy equipment operator operations training. In the past, it's been held out in Tooele and some other more rural locations. Tooele canceled them. being allowed. So LTAP reached out to cities and entities and was wondering if anyone was willing to maybe host these training. So it's been very hard for our crews to get heavy equipment operation training because they fill up so quickly because they're offered so few, far between. So I reached out and said, hey, one potential location would be the Equestrian Center. So what this is is a two-day hands-on training that covers vehicle safety maintenance, daily walk-around inspection, pre- and post-ship inspection, and operating techniques. It's provided in a safe environment so they can learn how to do this on a job site. And we would be offering front-end loader, back-end, skid steer, or excavator training. I want to go. It would be a two-day course. They're going to start hopefully in April or May of next year. And what we would do is we would provide the equipment. We'd be present during both days of training. And we would restore the equestrian center after the training. Our crews would restore it. They're basically just practicing digging trenches, moving dirt, equipment stuff. Want to find some treasure? In exchange, the city would get two free spots in each training session, which is $1,000 value. And it's really helpful. So we could get up to eight guys. How loud will it be for the surrounding area? Yeah, that's my biggest concern. It would be during work hours. It would be probably, you know, they'd show up at 7 and they'd probably start using equipment at 8 and take a lunch break. They'd be done by 3.30. It would be weekdays. How dusty? You said two-day training, right? Two-day training. If there were a dust issue, I could have a water tank there. It would only be two days? Two days per session. They were hoping to do about four sessions a year, two or three in the spring and two or three in the fall. Two or three in the spring and two or three in the fall. Does it tear up the Equestrian Center? I know they get really mad about that. So if you can imagine, it would basically be the Equestrian Center stand like this. And I can tell you, the public works operators that would be there with helping the training, they'll put it back together after any of the other events we do in if they damage gates and there's all sorts of like we've reviewed the liability waivers and all insurance stuff i ran that through tracy before i presented my only concern is those neighbors that already have to put up with the monster trucks typically i think most of it would be a back home We're not going to be compacting or slamming your base. That area is so underutilized, though. I mean, those neighbors really don't get much of a disturbance. Yeah, I agree. This won't be like the monster truck. Right. You're going to have a few beaters. Well, we could have monster heavy equipment. We could bring like a Kennecott 777 truck. You know, one of those out here. Typically, most of these public entities are trying to get trained. They're not even looking to get trained on an excavator, a tract excavator. It'll be backhoes, floater, and skid steers. I compliment you for looking into it. Yeah. I really do. Good job. Yeah, innovative way to get . Are you all good with it? Yeah. All right. Are you good with it? OK, we've got a little bit less than 15 minutes. Do you want to do council manager stuff? Do you have something else? No. We can take a break. And if you want to knock out, I think Rad had two quick things. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our City Council meeting this evening. I'd like to call our meeting to order. Our next item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance. It's going to be led this evening by our Finance Director, Mr. John Veik. Go ahead, sir. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS A CAUSE FOR SOME OF OUR ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE OUR YOUTH COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKE THEIR OATH OF OFFICE FOR THEIR SERVICE ON THE DRAPER CITY YOUTH COUNCIL. AND I MIGHT ADD THAT THIS IS THE LARGEST YOUTH COUNCIL IN THE STATE. OUR COUNCIL HAS GENEROUSLY PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AS MANY DRAPER KIDS AS WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT SO I'M VERY HAPPY I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SERVICE WE ALSO APPRECIATE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE BECAUSE IN THEIR CAPACITY AS MEMBERS OF OUR YOUTH COUNCIL THEY DO PROVIDE VALUABLE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY HELP US PUT ON ALMOST ALL OF OUR EVENTS IF NOT ALL OF THEM WE COULDN'T DO SOME OF OUR EVENTS WITHOUT THEM SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WE HOPE IN THIS PROGRAM THEY LEARN My goal with them is that they walk out of here knowing more about government than most Americans, which isn't hard to do, but it's just a little edge, a little foot up, knowing exactly how the government's supposed to work. And I think these kids, they learn that, and they have a great time, and they really help our community. So I'm going to, how are we doing this? Carolyn, are you going to conduct this? How are we doing the oath? Nicole? Okay. All right. Youth council members who are... swearing in. Would you like to come up here to the front of the well of the dais here? Come on up. Just file in. Just keep coming. Keep coming, guys. All the way. Nope, right here. In front. There's too many of you to put on the wall. I always enjoy the events we go to every year with the Youth Council. My competitive nature comes out because I get to brag about the most kids, and it is awesome because we take up like four or five or six tables of young people at the various events, and so it's exciting. Keep coming in. Make a second row. Keep coming. Look at all these young people that want to participate and help their community. Fantastic. All right, Nicole, take it away if we've got them all. Please stand up. All right, thank you. All right, you guys are dismissed. I will, I will. Yeah, I was going to wait until they were out of the way. I had a method. Thanks, guys. So in order to put this youth council program on, we have Carolyn who does a fantastic job with the assistance of her husband. that works as a paid staff member but we also have an executive committee and i'd like them to stand and come up for a minute they would without these folks it would not work so we have our executive committee bella page aaron babcock marine crosby april jensen taft derby jack roma santa parker vandegraaff kennedy nelson and peyton john johnson these young people um They work to help this program go, so give them a hand if you would. Let's get a picture with them. All right, thank you. Thank you, guys. Good job. It's a fine group of young people, and they're They're fantastic, and it's great to have so many. A lot of places don't have as many as we do, and we're just fortunate to have so many kids that are interested. Next up, item number four, turning the time over to Chief Ferguson with some master officer awards or promotions. Chief, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor, Council. Good to be with you tonight. I wish I had gone first. I had a captive audience for a bunch of recruits for Chief Smith and I there. So I want to thank council and the citizens for the continued support. This master officer program is really taking off and it's building the leadership capacities and qualities within our ranks. And tonight we're here to recognize two of our two newest master officers. And I'll call them forward really quick. Dallin Upchurch and Creighton Kent, if you guys want to come up. I'll tell you a little bit about each of them. Master Officer Dallin Upchurch became a Draper police officer in February of 2014. He has served as a patrol police officer, an FTO, which is a field training officer, a member of the community oriented policing unit, and is an officer in charge. He is an instructor in active gunman training and is currently a detective assigned to the South Valley Special Enforcement Team. He's gained a reputation on that team as a diligent investigator. He's tenacious, and that team are the ones that the criminals do not want trailing them. They do an outstanding job. Dallin and his wife, Kelsey, have two sons, ages eight and six, who are with us tonight, and I will add in that his father was one of my police commanders and mentors in Provo when I was a young cop. So we're happy to have Dallin in the ranks. Creighton Kent. Master Officer Creighton Kent began his law enforcement career with the Department of Corrections and working out of the state prison. He was assigned while he was there to the psych unit and later to transportation and to the SWAT team. In 2016, he left corrections and became a Draper police officer. He's currently assigned to the patrol division. He serves in specialty capacities as a field training officer and a less lethal instructor. Away from work, Officer Kent enjoys home renovation projects, physical fitness activities, and spending quality time with his wife and quite possibly the cutest son along the Wasatch Front. We are very proud of these two, and we welcome to the rank. And so you know, you can always recognize one of our master officers by the insignia on their sleeve of the stripe with the star under it. It's quite an accomplishment, and they are ready to go. So thank you very much. Stand up behind. HOW MANY FAMILY MEMBERS DO WE HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR THESE OFFICERS? WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFICERS AND THEIR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, WE ASK THAT YOU WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME. Is there anyone here that would like to make a general public comment to the council? All right. Come on up, ma'am. The way the rules work for general public comment, if you haven't been here before, once you get up here, give us your name and address. We have a clock over here to my right and your left. Three minutes. You get three minutes. You don't have to use them all, but you can. But at the end of three minutes, your turn will be up. But it's an opportunity for you to address the council with comments. We'll listen and hear you. So give us your name and address and go ahead. Okay. My name is Shelly Goldberg, and my address is 1574 Pioneer Road. And I have lived in Draper for over 30 years. We've had over four houses here. We just purchased this house in December, and it's on Pioneer and relation the corner. And the house is almost 100 years old, so it's had numerous renovations. We've also done many safety things to it, for example, had so many trees that had not been taken care of for many years that were falling on the streets. Anyways, we took down 12 big trees, two of them that obstructed you to be able to turn on relation and pioneer, so the visibility is much better. That being said, last week we had three no parking signs put up without any consultation to us or involvement in us. right in front of our street. And because of this, it's become a huge hazard. And I have pictures so you can see what I'm, I don't know if I have it. Give it to our city recorder if you would. One is of the three signs and one is of our driveway. But before the signs were installed, there's a large gravel pull-up, if you're familiar with Pioneer Road. And that allowed us to safely exit Pioneer Street and turn into our driveway. And Pioneer has become a very busy street, especially in the morning and the evenings. And this was not only a safety for us, but other drivers, so they didn't have to stop. We could just pull off and get over. Now, because of these three new signs, they're right on the street, and they go all the way up. We cannot use that. So we have to physically come to a stop on Pioneer and turn right. Now, they've only been there a week, and we've almost been hit several times, like rear-ended, because people aren't anticipating you turning there. So this is not just an inconvenience, but it's a real danger. It's only a matter of time before there's an accident. Also, now the garbage can't come. they can't pull off so we have to bring our garbage to the neighbors which is not a great long-term solution what concerns us most is that the decision was made without any notice or talking to us it would have been so much easier just to say hey can you not park there because it causes them not to be able to see but that was not nobody consulted us the signs just came up We understand that they had a meeting on it. They did a site triangle study, but none of this was discussed with us. So the intent of this was so that it improves visibility at the corner. Am I over? You are. Your turn is up. So sorry. So thank you. But we appreciate it. I think we understand what your issues are. So thank you. Okay. So when do I find out? Yeah, we can get, we'll get back with you on it, on your issue. But thank you for your comment. Is there anyone else who would like to make a general public comment to the council? All right, seeing no further general public comment, I'll move to item number six, which are items on our consent calendar. First item is 6A's approval of the July 29, 2025 city council meeting minutes. Item 7A, that's public hearings. We have one item, I guess, the minutes. Is there a motion? Mr. Mayor. Go ahead. I move we approve consent item 6A. A motion by Ms. Vaudrey. A second? I'll second. Second by Mr. Green. Any further discussion? Seeing none, Ms. Vaudrey, how do you vote? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Items approved unanimously 5-0. Takes us to item number 7. Item number 7 is a public hearing. It's ordinance number 1667. It's an ordinance amending the official zoning map of Draper City for approximately 2.84 acres of property from CO2 professional office to CR regional commercial located approximately 14193 South Minuteman Drive, otherwise known as the Indigo Tech Center map amendment. We'll have a staff report by Paul. Go ahead, sir. Thank you, Mayor and Council. So as you said, this is a proposal for a zoning map amendment from the CO2 zone to the CR zone. We can see our vicinity map. We are on Minuteman just east of the freeway in between the Bangor Highway and 146 exits. If we go in for a closer view, we are just south of the Boondocks property, and we are comprised of three parcels, 14183 South, 14193 South, and 14203 South Minuteman. The existing land use is currently... is congruent with the proposed zone change. It's a regional commercial. If we take a look at the zoning map, we see that we're surrounded by CR on the north and south with some residential to the southeast with M1 west of the freeway. Overview of the request. So there are some additional uses that are allowed in the CR zone. The use in particular that the applicant has indicated interest in the reason why they're rezoning is the recreation and entertainment indoor. Their intent is to have a business in there for a indoor golf simulator lounge. They haven't indicated any other interest in other uses on this list. We have a couple site photos of the area. And then the Planning Commission reviewed this item at their July 30th, 31st 2025 meeting and forwarded a positive recommendation for the application with a vote of 5-0. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN ANSWER THEM. THE APPLICANT ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR PAUL RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNSEL? YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S ITEM 7A, ORDINANCE 1667, is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on this item? All right, seeing no public comment, we'll close the public comment period and bring us back to the council. Do you have any questions? Is there a motion? I have just a question. This is going to be a private use initially, is that correct? Come on up here to the mic and give us your name and address if you're going to talk. Danica Pixton, and we just live up on 1840 East, 12562 South 1840 East. So, sorry, what was it? Oh, is this going to be for private use or is it for public use? It will be memberships. So people will purchase memberships and then use it as they book space, like time in there. But it's open to anyone? Anyone, yeah, anyone who wants to. TO SIGN UP AND USE IT, YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. MR. LOWERY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 1667. ALL RIGHT, MOTION BY MR. LOWERY TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 1667. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY MS. LOWERY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK THE ZONING CHANGE HERE IS COMPATIBLE TO THAT AREA IN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. ALL RIGHT. MR. LOWER, HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES. MR. LOWER? YES. MS. FAUDREY? YES. MR. GREEN? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. ITEMS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 7B, WHICH IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS RESOLUTION NUMBER 2540 RUNS A RESOLUTION adopting the City of Draper annual budget for the fiscal year ending June 30th, 2026, as proposed and including any changes to final budget items that have been presented and discussed with the council. Adoption of the budget includes approval of the staffing document and the employee pay plan for fiscal year 2025, 2026. Draper has received the certified tax rate for FY 2026, tax year 2025 from Salt Lake County and Utah County, the combined equalized rate is .001022 for general operations with no rate for debt service. This will generate $11,122,761 for general operations with $10,588,829 associated with Salt Lake County and $533,932 from Utah County. The city held the Truth in Taxation hearing on August 13th, 2025 for the proposed change in property tax rate. Certified tax rate was calculated at .000936. For general operations, the proposed change raised the tax rate to .001022, representing an additional $935,635 of general fund operation funding for the city of Draper. Well, the staff report by Mr. Veik, our finance director. Go ahead, sir. So this is formally adopting the final budget. We adopted an acting budget for the period through the truth and taxation hearing. So this will adopt the final budget. We do have a couple of changes that we are proposing to happen within the budget. First, we are proposing a staffing change with no dollars to add a city prosecutor. as we move from a contracted service into in-house city prosecution. Second, we are changing the staffing document again. We are going to eliminate a parks maintenance technician and replace that with a city arborist. And again, this is no cost to the general fund, simply using the funding that we already have and the resources that we're giving in the budget amendment. We did have the police department come to us. They have requested $25,000 be added to their budget to add assistance for drug enforcement. This money will be used to pay informants and provide sting operations to help the police department continue its proactive work in drug enforcement. So that would be from the general fund fund balance. The city council was also updated on a grant that the city received we received a grant from uh i don't remember who from right the state office of outdoor recreation so we received it oh it's right there if i'd read my notes i could have found it state office of outdoor recreation and WE RECEIVED $50,000 WITH A REQUIRED MATCH OF $50,000, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THAT IN SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN THE WORK NOW AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL A FORMAL BUDGET AMENDMENT. AND LASTLY, WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO SOME UPDATES TO OUR ESRI LICENSE, WHICH WILL NOT BE USABLE UNLESS WE ALSO UPDATE OUR OPEN VALUE LICENSE. but we did not know about this or include this funding in the budget, so we're asking for $15,000 to accomplish that as well. So with those three, we propose that you adopt the final budget with those five changes that were listed there. Any questions for Mr. Veik? Do we need to specifically mention these in our resolution to pass the budget, or do we need to... WHERE THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION NOW. SO I THINK THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE'VE NOW DISCUSSED THEM IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM JOHN? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT ADAPTING THE NEW TAX RATE? ADOPTING, I MEANT. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. I MOVE WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 2541 PASSING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR ENDING IN JUNE 2026 AS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE THE FINAL BUDGET ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNCIL TODAY AND THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET INCLUDES THE APPROVAL OF THE STAFFING DOCUMENT EMPLOYEE PAY PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. MOTION BY MR. GREEN TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2541. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY MS. JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER Comments? All right, seeing none, Mr. Green, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Vaudrey? Yes. Items approved five to zero. That takes us to an action item number eight. It's approval of ordinance number 1668 or ordinance 1669. It's an ordinance amending Draper City Municipal Title 19 ethics. We'll have a staff report by our city attorney, Tracy Gunderson. Go ahead. Good evening, everybody. Let's see here. All righty. You have before you, we've just passed out a copy of the state law. You can take a copy of that. But tonight we're going to discuss the employment of relatives and how this is handled in our city code. So just by way of a little bit of context here, the definition of nepotism in the Oxford Dictionary is a noun, the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs. This word originates from the mid-1600s. I can't even begin to pronounce where they come from, but originally from, I think, nipote, meaning nephew, which is a reference to the privileges bestowed on the nephews of popes, the nephews, in quotation marks, who were in many cases their illegitimate sons. So now with that background, we will turn to what is the state law on nepotism. So this is Utah Code 52.3, and this governs public officers. So I've handed you out a copy of the actual state law if you want to have the full extent of this statute in front of you to take a look at it. It's about a page and a half. But to just give you a quick summary of what this law says, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT PUBLIC OFFICIALS CAN'T HIRE OR DIRECTLY SUPERVISE THEIR RELATIVES OR PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD IF THE JOB IS PAID WITH PUBLIC FUNDS. BUT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THIS. SO THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS HERE THAT SAY IT CAN BE RELATIVE IF THEY'RE HIRED, IF THEY QUALIFY THROUGH A FAIR MERIT-BASED PROCESS LIKE A CIVIL SERVICE EXAM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH POLICE DEPARTMENTS ESPECIALLY. THEY CAN ALSO BE HIRED IF THEY'RE THE ONLY OR BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. as decided by the head of the agency. There are some other exceptions as well that include short-term jobs like 12 weeks or less if it's a volunteer or if it's a vocational training role. And then usually if a relative is hired, when they are permitted to do so, the official can't directly supervise them or decide their pay or performance reviews. So if an exception applies, the official must publicly disclose their relationship. And the goal of this law. ostensibly is to prevent favoritism while allowing fair hiring when it's justified. So that's kind of the background of the state nepotism law there. Now, if you'll take a look here at Draper's current code, our ethics title is Title 19. And the one that we're looking at specifically this evening is Chapter 1, 110. So this is employment of relatives and it's prohibited. Now, subsection A is the definition of relative and what that means. very broad b is the one that we're really going to take a look at here and it says no relative of a city officer or a relative's spouse shall be employed by the city and then c is a grandfather section that allows it this is somebody who's been hired in the past so if you do quick comparison between the state law and our city code you can see that the state law defy defines relatives and um that's what's kind of there before you and it's fairly broad i mean they try to include almost everybody, but then Draper City Code goes a little bit farther. So it includes a broader list. It's the same as the state, plus additional relationships not covered by the state. So it also includes life partner, ward, fiance, grandfather, grandmother, grandson, granddaughter, step-parent, or step-child. So our definition of relative is a little bit broader. However, when you still take a look at some of the key terms of the state code, they also include household member in their definition. And so that is a person residing in the same residence as the public officer. Now we don't have household member defined in our city code. So without spending too much time on the definitions in the state code, what we do need to look at here is the definitions that we have for appointed officer, elected officer, and city officer. So essentially appointed officers is who your department directors are, right? They're appointed. ELECTED OFFICER IS YOU, PERSON ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO THE OFFICE OF MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN A CITY OFFICER IS BOTH OF THESE, ANY APPOINTED OR ELECTED OFFICER, AND IT INCLUDES, IT'S QUITE BROAD, THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, ALL APPOINTED CITY OFFICIALS, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY'S AGENCIES, BOARDS, COMMITTEES, AND COMMISSIONS, RIGHT? SO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE BOARDS, COMMITTEES, AND COMMISSIONS ARE ALSO CONSIDERED CITY OFFICERS UNDER OUR CODE. Okay, so going back to city code on this, looking at B, no relative of a city officer or a relative spouse shall be employed by the city. So city officer, right, captures all of the people that we saw in that definition previously for city officer. Okay, so doing a little bit more of a comparison here of these two. If you're looking at the state code, It's going to prohibit the public officer from employing, appointing, voting for, recommending an appointee if it's a relative or a household member if they will be directly supervised by the officer. Barring direct supervision prevents them from accepting and retaining employment under direct supervision of a relative or a household member. And then the emphasis on this one is avoiding supervision conflicts, right, rather than banning employment outright. And so this applies to state departments, agencies, and political subdivisions such as cities like Draper. Now the Draper Code imposes a blanket prohibition. So it's stricter than what our state law is on nepotism. And so no relative of a city officer or relative spouse shall be employed by the city at all. That's how this is implemented. So it is far stricter. It bans any city employment for covered individuals regardless of supervision or department. Okay, so you had a chance probably previously, there are some advantages to nepotism laws. There's just kind of a list for you there, and I think you've had a chance to consider this previously, but I think the number one advantage of it is that it prevents perceived or actual nepotism. And it's very easy to enforce. So we've got some disadvantages as well. you might have a loss of qualified candidates, and there's no flexibility in the way that our particular city code has been drafted. So city officer, again, sort of highlighting, is appointed or elected officers, including mayor, city council, all appointed city officials, and the members of the city agencies, boards, committees, and commissions. So you can see circumstances where Draper is, it's not a small town, but you might have somebody who is on a committee, and this would prevent like their spouse from being hired by the city. So it's kind of a broad prohibition and it's just something to keep in mind in terms of the talent pool that we might have to draw from in terms of like hiring here if we're having any hiring problems. And there's a very slight but not zero risk of illegal challenge by somebody who argues that this is an exclusion that violates the equal opportunity laws of the state. Okay, so we have a few options for you this evening to consider. If you like our current city code and you like the protections that it gives the city with regard to nepotism, then there is no change that needs to be made. You can keep the status quo. We've got a couple of options if we would like to create a little bit of flexibility with regard to this particular code. We could go the route of prohibiting relatives of elected officers only. This would be a really simple text amendment change to make where we just substitute elected instead of city official. And then you've got option three, which is to give our city manager some discretion with regard to whether or not a hire could be made. And obviously, it's got to be consistent with both our city code and state law. Now, you could also do something else. All right. So this was, oh, sorry about that. Okay, if we're keeping the prohibition on electeds, you're going to see in subsection B there, all that we have to do in terms of a text amendment is change B to say no relative of an elected officer or a relative spouse shall be employed by the city. Now, if you want to grant the city manager some discretion and flexibility with regards to whether or not An exception can be made for a particular applicant. We can change subsection B so that it says no relative of a city officer or a relative spouse shall be employed by the city, except when the city manager determines that the employment serves the best interests of the city and does not create a conflict of interest or the appearance of impropriety. And obviously, he's still restrained by our state law. One of the reasons I wanted to just highlight this for you, the city manager's duties as set forth in our code specifically is that our city manager is both the personnel administrator. And so that's to whom all employees of the city shall report and shall be responsible for implementing and enforcing the personnel policies of the city. That is city manager's job. And then also under number three, you'll see that the city manager shall recommend to the mayor the appointment of all appointed officers and department heads. The city manager may remove all appointed officers, department heads after first giving those. The city manager shall have authority to hire and remove all other city employees. So there's where you see the power, right, of the city manager. He's enabled to make these decisions. Okay. And again, like I mentioned, the city manager still has to abide the state nepotism law under 52.3.1. And then also we have in our own city code under 19.1.80, the avoidance of impressions of corruptibility. So that's also something that is going to govern and guide the city manager's decisions with regard to these hiring decisions. Okay. So somebody asked, I think it was Ms. Johnson, what do other cities do? And so I took a look at some of the neighboring cities around us just to get a sense for, like, how are other municipalities dealing with this particular issue? Okay, so Sandy, theirs is under Section 462, and this is all they say. Prohibitions on the employment of relatives by the city shall be governed by the state law. Super easy, right? They just basically punt it, it's state law, done. And that actually is not obviously as strict as what our current city code is. Okay, Bluffdale. Bluffdale gets a little bit more detailed. This is sort of their section of law. No, as you can see, they have no elected officer or appointed officer shall employ, appoint, vote for, the appointment of a relative, and then you've got exceptions. They're basically kind of making the prohibition, and then they've got some exceptions that they allow. It really looks like they're mirroring state law there. It's very similar. Okay, South Jordan, pretty... kind of along the same lines. They've got a nepotism prohibition as well. And I think that one is probably a little bit stricter as you take a look at that one. Okay, Riverton. Now, Riverton doesn't have a specific code that deals with nepotism. Theirs is just covered under Chapter 2-120, Conflict of Interest. So it does not expressly prohibit nepotism or the employment of relatives, but it would require certain disclosures to be made. It would disallow an appointed officer from using his or her position to further a personal interest. And that's sort of consistent with that state law about the municipal employees' ethics. Okay, Lehigh. Nothing. They got nothing. So there is nothing that is completely silent on this particular issue. And then taking a look at Salt Lake County. With regard to it, they do something kind of similar to the state law. They do have a code that speaks to this. Now you'll see under B, no, they can't directly or indirectly supervise a relative if they're paid out of county funds. They can't participate in the supervision of the employee. So again, you kind of got this sort of mirroring to some degree what the state law is and then when you take a look at Salt Lake City as well then they have got a prohibition on it under 252 210 and then they do kind of have some other code sections that speak to it the direct supervision or direct involvement regarding compensation and benefits of a relative is prohibited there's some exceptions for civil service and volunteer people and then you've got They've got a section that says relatives involved in the city financial control procedures can't happen. And so you don't have people who are relatives where they're allowed to participate in the finances of the other employee. And then when you apply for the job there at Salt Lake City, you have to make the disclosure if you're related to anybody on that application too. So you can see how they've adopted a couple of things too to keep them safe. So that's kind of a way to, I think, sort of highlight what other cities are doing and i think as you can tell when you take a look at you know these other treatments of this particular issue draper is actually pretty strict on this and so this is why you have before you i think a few options with regard to how we could potentially create some flexibility if that's a direction that you want to go in To be honest, I'm a big fan of what Sandy did. Simplicity. Just point to the state code. Yeah, I'm curious. Is there a reason why we haven't considered the Sandy one? Do you know, I think when originally this issue came before us, we were trying to make some decisions fairly quickly, right? Because we had some hiring decisions that we needed to make. And so in order to deal with this and have a resolution as quickly as possible. That's why there were some different options that were presented. But then as I was researching what different cities do, that's when I saw how Sandy treated it. And so unfortunately, the noticing period had already passed that I couldn't notice for you the way that we couldn't do that tonight. What you have before you is the two ordinances where we make either the prohibition strictly to electeds or we give the city manager discretion. If you wanted to go in the direction of Sandy, we'd probably have to re-notice this because that's not an ordinance that was put out for the notice period. Are we still in that time crunch? I believe so. Can you go back to the four options again, please? Sure. Now what you're saying is we have to pick those four. We can't combine really two and three. Well, if you want to, in order for the city to move forward on the issue that it's dealing with right now, we would need a choice between two or three, or one, actually. I mean, if you were to say, as a body, you like the code as it is and you want to keep it, then that tells us what we need to do, right? And so no further action needs to be taken on this issue. If you want to give the city some flexibility right now to make the decision, then I would say consider either two or three. If you liked what Sandy did or what some of the other cities did better, then you don't necessarily have to approve either two or three. I mean, you could give us that direction. I'll notice it out for the next city council meeting that that's the text amendment that you would like to go with with regard to this issue. And would that be next week, like in a week from? Could that be added to the agenda for next Tuesday? PROBABLY NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU. THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY PURPOSE FOR NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING IS TO APPROVE THE CANVAS OF THE VOTE. BUT IF YOU DO WANT TO EXPAND THAT BEYOND THAT ONE ISSUE, THEN WE COULD CERTAINLY. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION THREE, IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DEAL WITH OUR CURRENT ISSUE AND IT REALLY, IT REQUIRES, IT'S REALLY SANDY BECAUSE HE HAS SOME DISCRETION. IT'S NOT PROHIBITED But he has to still follow the state law. Consistent with city and state. It makes the most sense to me that we can do now, solve our problem, and it works. Yeah, I would agree that three is probably the one I would personally prefer. I think it solves the problem today, and this is an issue that we keep pushing out, and there is some timeliness that needs to happen. I think you'll get inconsistent outcomes with three, but there's some personality in there. So if we're okay with... being a little more messy, and I am, but that's the downside to it. It puts a lot of responsibility on the city manager. Yeah, but he really still has to follow the law. Right, that's true. Which is what Sandy did. I don't know what Mark Johnson's doing. I'm going to have to have a talk with him. But I hear you, Tasha. I think we can't keep kicking this down. It's timely. It needs to be addressed. And doesn't this only apply if... THAT SITUATION HAPPENS, THEN IT'S LOOKED AT TO SEE IF IT'S NECESSARY. RIGHT. WE MAY BE OVERTHINKING IT. IS THERE A MOTION FOR THREE? MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OPTION THREE. ALL RIGHT, A MOTION BY MS. LOWER TO APPROVE OPTION THREE, GIVEN THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION CONSISTING WITH STATE LAW. AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THAT THIS WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1669. YES. YES. SORRY, RIGHT. Ordinance 1669. Is that right? Motion by Tasha or second? I'll second. Second by Marcia? Mm-hmm. All right, any further discussion? Tasha, how do you vote? Yes. Marcia? Yes. Mike? Yes. Fred? Yes. Brynn? Yes. All right, that passes unanimously. That takes us to any council manager items that might be afoot. Any? Rhett? Go ahead, sir. Sorry, Mayor, I brought my own glasses. Two quick items. Number one was just an FYI with the fire threat that we seem to be in. We're getting a lot of residents calling about open space. You know, in our city, we have open space throughout the whole city, up on the hills in the flat where we border properties that have sagebrush and rabbit brush and native grasses and that type of stuff. Properties that we've never, ever maintained. They're not landscape. They're just open space. But more than ever, we're just having a ton of residents ask for that to come be mowed or reduce the fire risk. Our response to them is that we've never maintained it. We're not going to go cut it now. Number one, because that can create a fire risk with a spark or something and really have a problem like we did in Midville a few weeks ago. And two, once we do go cut that, then it's a nightmare to ever restore because then the invasive and the noxious weeds do come up. So just wanted you to know that we're getting a lot of those type of comments to come cut open space. And so if you heard that, just know that our response is that that's not... Anything that we maintain, we'll certainly watch it, and we know the fire risk is high, but we're not going to be getting our equipment in there to possibly create a worse problem. So that was just an FYI. Second item, just really quick. I needed to show some pictures, I guess. Some of you had asked about City Hall landscaping right out here in back. And the big question is, why are we watering rocks? So I just wanted to share some quick history. As you know, right now, this has all been converted to rock mulch and riprap rock. And it's been this way for about 10 years. This is going back to 2011, when we used to have a bunch of grass here. Nice grass, but a lot to water. Just a few going back to 2015. STILL GRASS, BUT IN THAT SAME YEAR, 2015, YOU CAN SEE WE STARTED THE CONVERSION PROCESS. THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PROJECT DONE BY OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ABOUT THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AGO THAT GOT A GRANT AND WORKED ON THIS PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE NOW WE STARTED TO RIP OUT ALL OF THE IRRIGATION. EVERYTHING'S DYING. WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT ROCKS IN 2016. THIS IS LATER 2016. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S NOW ALL ROCKS. Again, this is current pictures. So my purpose, I guess, when showing this is when we converted from grass to rocks, it did a few things. The intention was to save water, obviously, and that's why we got the grant to do the conversion to xeriscaping. What we found, though, was when we took out the irrigation that watered the sod and we put in, part of the grant was to put in bubblers around the trunks of the trees which is consistent with the model of the day to save water but we started losing trees and we lost about three trees fairly close and the reasons that were determined was the roots by now that were over ten years old had spread out throughout the park strips so the trees weren't getting in the water because the The bubblers that were now around the trunks of the trees weren't getting down to the receptors on the tree roots. So we lost a few of the park strip trees, which was a concern. So working with the city manager and stuff at the time, we decided to actually convert back from the bubblers back to the spray heads to save the trees. But then the optics of that look quite different. weird that we're watering trees but it did have a purpose was to save the trees and we've only lost about two trees since 2019 but we lost a lot the rocks caused a lot of heat on the roots of the trees the park strips were narrow and already confined and we just were losing too many trees so that's i guess why i wanted to show you a few of the pictures this was can you go to mulch on those instead of rock and do you just use drip irrigation or no Well, we did do the drip, and that's when... No, I'm talking no rocks but mulch, and then drip irrigation with plants in between that will get to the roots of the trees. If we add more plants and go drip throughout the whole park strip would be better, and the mulch would be better than the heat that the rocks cause. Absolutely. So I know our tree commission committee isn't in favor of the rocks. Can you look at a bid to do mulch and take the rock out, plants, like you have at your garden? Yeah. It is the right way. Rock is not the right way to do it. It would look nicer, and even if it conserved water better and kept things cooler. I can tell you the mulch to get, and you barely have to weed it. It's good. We certainly want that mulch. I'll take it at my house, too. There is a brand. I'm telling you. My wife found it. It's amazing. All right, anything else? No, that was all I had. Thank you. Can you look at... Are you all willing to have them look at getting rid of the rocks? I'm sure we could use them somewhere else, throw them at something. I'm just kidding. All right. I think it would be nice. You're good with that? Yeah. Okay, anything else? Anybody else have anything? I do, real quick. So... Troy Dana had put his application over on roughly 8th East and 122nd on hold pending a study. The question I've got is, is that a study that you'd like to be conducting in-house by community development staff, or would you prefer retaining a consultant? And part of the reason I ask is that community development is working on obviously stationary plans, general plan amendment, and a couple other large projects. So their bandwidth is a little bit constricted at this point. And I guess the answer to the question I've asked is what kind of timeline are you looking at to have this study completed? And I don't know what Mr. Dana's expectations are as to when he wants to bring his project back. But I don't know, Jen, if you can shed any light on that. Yeah, I haven't talked to Troy about any timelines. I know he pulled his application from consideration, but we do still have active applications. So my staff is pretty lean right now as far as master plan projects, things like that. So if you want this neighborhood study done sooner rather than later, consultant's probably the better option. If you do want it in-house, it will take some time. I guess I wonder, do we have to make it that complicated? Can we have a meeting? Maybe just you there, somebody, we talk, we look, we think what's best. Maybe we don't have to really make it that hard. I don't know. How the rest of you feel? Maybe not have to go through that much expense for an outside consultant. I don't care how long it takes. I'd have staff prepare something whenever they get to it. Is that feasible, Jed? I'd like to have an open house with everyone in that part of the community that gets to comment on it. I'd like to get that part of town's buy-in. It is feasible for staff to do it. It's just it probably won't be until the beginning of the year uh the new year where we can actually have time to to put into it i was being feasible for us to sit down like marcia said and just discuss it yeah that wouldn't take until the end of the year to do that would it uh no yeah i mean if we do that are we going to have all the details and information necessary so when the public asks the questions it's not just we sat around and made it a win by looking at the map. I mean, I'd want to understand the infrastructure. There's a lot more to it than I think we can. Let us think about it and we'll come back with a proposal that will hopefully, well, that will meet the needs of the city council and the neighbors, but not expend a lot of money and time in doing it to try to get some answers for you. Anything else from anyone else? Mr. Mayor, I just got here on record. We've talked about maybe looking at an ordinance about storage containers permanently stored. I guess that's something that we need to evaluate and then also know if we have that, some properties with existing long-term storage if that can be do we have a grandfathering issue or can we still maybe place some requirements that if they become permanent that they would be maintained in a way like an outside storage building to fix the to match the facade of the main dwelling or something like that, I don't know. We've already started discussing that as staff. Gracie's looking at the retroactivity portion of it. There's a couple of considerations because some people use shipping containers as accessory dwelling units, others use them to store materials or whatever in their backyard. So we can look at that from both those angles and address that retroactivity issue maybe come back with a study session and show you what we found, what some options are doing. Excuse me, what options are available. Okay, thank you. Anything else? Anybody else? Yes, Mr. Mayor. Did we ever get the yard crews to look at all the stuff on 138th since I had the constituent reach out saying how the... Sidewalks have got weeds and stuff like that on there. Did we ever get something worked out on that? Which portion of 138th? I mean, all of it. I drove from 4th Street down to 138th and along the sidewalk there. There's some pretty rough spots. In fact, Rhett and I talked about that today. And like all park strips, those are the responsibility of the homeowners. Okay. Can we go nudge them somehow or is this not? Code enforcement can go deal with them. Some of them are pretty bad. Yeah. They are. So can we send code enforcement out to look at those? Isn't there some area on 4th Street, though, that I think still is city? Not 4th Street, 138th. 138th. Yeah. And then the second thing is I wanted to see if we could do an ordinance that clarified specifically that our elections are nonpartisan. I couldn't find that. And I was using that for another obligation in my life. So I don't know if we ever circled back on that. or if we have something that's clear enough in state code that I can use. Those are my only two. We have looked at that, Mike, and I think Tracy was curious about the specific guard requirements. What are they exactly looking for? Because, I mean, a change could be pretty simple. I don't know if you want to... Yeah, I'll just talk to you offline then. I'll show you the statute or the... the line so anybody else going once all right sir motion to adjourn so moved that motion adjourned second I'll second second all in favor of adjourn say aye aye are there any opposed all right none we stand adjourned