Welcome, everybody. We really appreciate seeing the crowd, and thank you for coming. I'm Kelly Chalberg, Assistant City Manager here at Draper City, and I'm going to introduce Mayor Walker, and he'll tell us all about Draper and what's going on. Thanks. Well... Thanks for coming, and if you know me, you know that I don't generally dress up in a suit. I've been in one all day long today, so... I have three reasons I'll get in a suit. A judge can make me, and they always do, the good Lord on occasion, and our League of Cities and Towns director, and you guys. Normally I'm more of the Senator Fetterman shorts hoodie. I would have worn pants at the inauguration, just for the record. But anyway, no, I'm glad to be here. Glad you all came. I mean, it's awesome that you're willing to come listen and hear a little bit about our city and how we're doing, because I think we're doing really well. So it's good to... IT'S GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. SO I'M GOING TO JUST JUMP RIGHT IN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'D LIKE TO DO SOME QUESTIONS PROBABLY, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AT THE END. FIRST SLIDE. SOME INTERESTING STATISTICS. I DON'T KNOW, HOW MANY OF YOU KNEW WE HAD THAT MANY PEOPLE? ANYBODY SURPRISED BY 55,000? YEAH, WE'RE, AND IT REALLY KIND OF, IT FLUCTUATES A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE SALES TAX CENSUS NUMBERS SHOW. But I think what's really interesting is 30% are under 18. It's pretty young, pretty awesome in that perspective. Our Good Canyon School District, who our representatives are here, are educating that 30%, so awesome. And then of course, you'd have thought we'd have a few more older folks, but 8.2%, so I don't know. If you'd have been in Draper when I was in high school, it was probably not quite that demographic. It was like 5,000 people, mostly sheep, chickens, some of those things. But we're out of that now. But our median income, obviously, $103,000 is high. So if you were going to define us, you would probably have to use the term affluent city. I don't think you'd be wrong there, and I think you'd have to really kind of look at it that way. Now, what that means is, I mean, that's a good thing and a bad thing. At that median income level, of course, our property value is something we always talk about. And as elected officials... We hear about it all the time. I've got our council members, Marcia Vaudrey, Marcia, raise your hand, Tasha, and Brynn. We hear about, thank you, I want to thank them for coming. We hear about it all the time as elected officials. Someone will come in, we're going to do a zone change, we're going to move something, and it's like, my property values. What about my property values? Well, I'm here to tell you, your property values have never gone down in the last 15 years, and they're not going to. That's not a great argument anymore. If you're coming, just remember that one's not going to persuade us because our property value is really amazing in the sense of it's a two-edged sword as well. Raw dirt, and I see one developer at least in the back, raw dirt, as I'm told, is about 1.2 million an acre in Draper. Raw ground undeveloped, 1.2 million. Depending on where it is, it could be more. That's a lot. When you talk about affordable housing, we're going to talk a little bit about that tonight, you talk about affordable opportunities, it's difficult when the ground is that much money to be talking about affordable, in the term affordable. I paid $120,000 for my first house, and I could barely afford it. And I couldn't buy my own house today that I have now. I could not. I couldn't do it. Which so, I mean, that's just the reality we're in in Utah, but it's something that As we work, as I work at the League of Cities and Towns, and as we work as elected officials, you have to keep it in mind, because that's one of the big factors in why housing is so expensive. Because people want to live here. People want to live in Draper. And they want to live here because it's nice, we have a lot of amenities, it's safe, and all those things that we try to do as a government to make it so it's a good place to live, but that also makes it a good place to live, and everybody wants to live here. And that's really true Utah-wide, in a sense. Some of these we go forward, but I think the education level is amazing. I'm a boxing guy, MMA. I like bare knuckle fighting. I'm the chair of our boxing commission, which you might not have known we have one in Utah. We do. It's called the Pete Suazo Utah Athletic Commission. We do all combat sports, fixed martial arts, Muay Thai, kickboxing, MMA, point karate, which is weird, and now bare knuckle fighting, which is my favorite of all the sports. But I always tell people, we punch way above our weight in influence and opportunity, and specifically in sales tax collection for the city of our size. 2,500 licensed businesses in Draper City of 55,000 people. That's a George Foreman-level right cross for a city of our size. You need me to know who George Foreman is? Have you heard of them? Okay. We've got our Chamber of Commerce president, Jay. Raise your hand in the back if you would. That's business. That's making commerce go, and so it's pretty cool. How many of you own dogs? It seems like cats. Seems like about right. We have three dog parks in Draper. Now, I don't know how many you need, but we do have three of them. I don't know of another city that has more than one. Maybe there's one with two. We have the dog park over on Dayland, which is fenced in. You've probably seen it. Nice places for dogs to do what they do. We have one on the mountain that is off-leash mountain dog park. You can take your dog and hike in the mountains, and the dog can run free, get in the porcupines all at once. And then we have one on the west side. So, I mean, I think we've shown that we like dogs, too, in the community. Anyway, if you haven't been to our dog parks, go check them out. City government. I saw Mr. Green walk in. Mike, raise your hand in the back. So if you don't know, five council members and me, so that's a six-member form of government. And that's a typical form of government in Utah. Our form is the most common. There are a few cities that are the strong mayor form of government, which means their mayor is typically full-time. Their mayor sets their budget and has veto power over what the council might pass as ordinances. It's a more complex and expensive form of government, but depending on the size of your city and what's going on, sometimes it might make more sense. If you have a strong mayor, the mayor has their own attorney and the council has their own attorney. If you have a strong mayor, the council operates with their own advisor and the mayor does as well. So you create another bit of a layer Your city attorney is not purely a city attorney like ours. Tracy, raise your hand if you would. Tracy's brand new city attorney. So Tracy represents the city and advises all of us. In a strong mayor form of government, it's different. You'd have split legal arms advising the political bodies. Are we ready for one of those at this point in time? I don't know. Some days I feel like I'm full time. I'm supposed to be part time, but there are days when it's, and there's a lot of things to do We have so much going on in our future as we look forward. We're going to talk about the point a little bit at the end. We're getting to be a city where we're getting to be bigger and require a lot more stuff. But I'm proud of this. 270 full-time employees. Under 300. So we're not a bloated government. We don't have a bunch of employees. We do a lot with part-time, as you can see. And it's for a total of 315 employees. for a city of our size and all the things that we've got going on. It's actually quite amazing that we're that small. That includes 44 police officers and 46 firefighters in that group. So that's the entire, you know, we're not giving you city employees plus public safety. So, and then next one, you met Kelly. And then Kelly and Mike. So in city government, because we're a six-member form of government, we're all part-time elected officials. We have a city manager that the mayor appoints, the council approves, and the city manager executes as the CEO the duties of the – runs the city, essentially. I don't get in the weeds and run HR and do any of that stuff. That's all left to our city manager. Now, we have a city manager who's been with us for 19 years. That's how long? Mr. Dobbins, if you've been here before, you knew Dave Dobbins. He'd been on our – he'd worked for us for 19 years. He left us about nine months ago. June and so when you have a city manager leave the city it's a big deal it's a really big deal because that that's a very key position with respect to the actual operation the stuff that makes you happy is what the city manager is doing all day so if you have a good one you didn't notice if you have a bad one you're gonna notice and it happens so I'm here I'm proud to tell you Mike Barker Mike raise your hand if you see him on the screen Mike has been with us 10 years. Mike started as a contract city attorney. We were contracting city attorney services, so we had him working for us as a contractor. We liked him so well because he's a hard worker, we ended up hiring him. And then as Mr. Dobbins moved on, Mike, to me, was a natural fit because I'm a lawyer, so I think a lawyer's a natural fit. But, I mean, Mike had been here and had been in the trenches all along and knew all the things. There was really no bringing Mike up to speed because he'd been involved in the whole process going along. And so we thought it was a great opportunity to just promote from within and put Mike in the position. And I think he's done an outstanding job. So we're very pleased with him. If you think City's doing well, you haven't even noticed, it's been an amazing transition. Kelly has worked for us for a long time. In fact, Kelly and I go way back. We went to high school together. So that was like 20 years ago. So We go way back. But Kelly's been working for us for 10 years. And she started out handling the calendar of the mayor and the council. And that was what we hired her to do. And Kelly's amazing. And she has just grown and developed. And so she was a perfect fit for our assistant city manager. So that's our new two executive team. We also have a brand new city attorney, Tracy. Maybe you should stand so they can see you. This is Tracy. Yeah, she's ready. Tracy was on our planning commission for a number of years and was a Draper resident for a long time, but she's a very competent lawyer, outstanding legal skills. We went to hire her. I didn't actually think we, I didn't even think it was worth talking to her because I knew she was probably making more money than we could afford her. But Tasha said, you know, we ought to go talk to her. So I thought, okay, she won't listen to us. But anyway, she had to take a little bit of the pay cut to come work for us, but we're very glad she did. Lawyers are expensive nowadays. And then we have, where am I? Nicole. Stand up, Nicole. Brand new, yes, sorry. I knew I saw you, sir. Brand new, as of last night, appointed city recorder, Laura, who's been with us for a long time and is fantastic, is retiring. And so we're transitioning there. So we've had quite a turn in our city government just this last year. So hopefully, it has been very smooth, so I'm very happy about it. We're in really good shape as far as city leadership goes. Next, starting into things we've accomplished. How many of you know about Geneva Rock? You've heard about it, right? The evil gravel company. Now, I'm saying that tongue-in-cheek. We're friends now, but they were the evil gravel company for a long time. They were so evil that we sued them, and we spent a lot of money in a lawsuit because our goal was they wanted to be able to expand carte blanche across... their entire parcel of property, and just really essentially use the entire parcel to mine gravel and sand. We didn't want that to happen, so we got in this nasty, expensive lawsuit. We ultimately have reached a settlement, which I'm proud of, proud of the city council members, because they were looking out for your interests, looking out for the environmental interests, looking out for the dust and all the things that the gravel operator causes. And over time, we worked out as we litigated and moved through the courts, We worked out a really good, what I think is an excellent settlement. And so you can see behind me these areas that are preserved. We preserved the entire face of Steep Mountain. So are there any paragliders in here? It's a silly sport, but if you do it, it's good for you. I'm never doing it. I'm an airplane pilot, and I'm never hanging off of a kite. It's not going to happen. But if you want to, now you'll be able to forever because we saved the Steep Mountain. Because Geneva owned a V right through the middle of Steep Mountain. I don't know if people knew that, but had they been unfettered in their ability to mine or extract, depending on the bill that you're talking about, where it's mining or extraction, they would have been able to take it down. That would have probably been bad for us. That area has been preserved, all of Area B, and then that hatched area, what would be to the east, is going to be ultimately open space and regraded into its natural state when they're done. So they'll extract out of all that area A, and that hatch piece to the right will end up ultimately being re-landscaped into the natural vegetation. And then area A, in conjunction with the area into Lehigh and Utah County, it'll get developed into a housing office commercial. Geneva Rock has, you know, the point is about 690 acres, which is big. Geneva Rock has about 1,700 acres. So you think points big, they got a lot more to the point. And that's over a 30, maybe 35-year process. So very happy with this agreement. Like I said, we're all friends again. We went out to the ribbon cutting of the points road, which I'm going to talk about. Got hard hats. You'd have thought we were friends from way back because we're all getting along now, which is good. Anyway, next. One of the other things we accomplished this year was I don't know if you, has everyone been by the Gold Star Memorial? If you're not familiar, the Gold Star Memorial is a memorial for families who have lost a service member in combat or on active duty service for the country. All branches, even the Space Force is on there. So the Gold Star Memorial is put together and run by the Woody Williams Foundation. Woody Williams was a Medal of Honor winner, US Marine, fought on Iwo Jima. An amazing story. If you don't know his story, not a big man, but an absolute complete warrior. Woody came home from the war and wanted to create a situation where, and a foundation, where families who lost someone in combat or in service would have a place to go and remember. And so the Gold Star Memorial became a thing. We got involved in it. A number of cities have them. Our plaza, to be honest with you, our parks department and our contractor, I think it's Washington DC quality, it's amazing. It turned out fantastic and it's a great place. If you haven't been there, please go, sit, reflect. We just changed out the panels, a couple of them. If you go over there, you can see if you notice. When we bought the memorial, we wanted etched photographs and what we got was an artistic rendering. I had to bite through my lip when we were unveiling it because I was unhappy about how it looked. It's getting all put the way we want it, but it's actually Really cool and awesome. And that was, there was a lot of donors and a lot of Draper folks who donated time and materials and engineering and skill to build it. So we're really lucky to have it. It's beautiful. Next. Now, I told you we had a lot of change. So we went kind of, we changed, we went back in time a little. We went forward in time. Calvin, stand up if you would. Our brandest new baby representative in the Utah House. who used to sit right over here as our council member. And so when he got elected, we had to fill a seat. And so a lot of people applied. I think it was about over 50. And we interviewed them all because it's a weird statutory requirement to how you do it. Very odd how it happens. You just get everyone in a room, give them a couple of minutes to tell their thing, and then the council just has to pick someone. The council picked Marcia for a couple of reasons. One, because Marcia's been there before and done it before, and we had her on the council a long time. There's no learning curve with Marsha, and so she's hit the ground running, and so we're glad to have her back. And so that's how that process got done. Sorry, next one. I already jumped ahead. We swore Tracy in not too long ago. Next one. Tax increase. You're probably thinking, why am I going to talk about this? I should have let this thing just slide and go, right? Do all of you remember we had a truth in taxation hearing? How many of you were aware? A few of you. Okay, good. We haven't had a tax increase. When I say a tax increase, a property tax increase in Draper in 18 years. Since I've been elected, we haven't had one. And the reason we hadn't was because we've been able, when I talked about that punching above our weight, our sales tax collection has always been, always a growing source of revenue. And because we have such good business. I had a lady call me a few years ago one time, she's mad about She was trying to get over to Kohl's on Saturday morning. She called me. She was mad. She's like, Mayor, you've got to fix this traffic. And I'm like, what do you want me to do? She said, well, I can't get to Kohl's. It takes me like half an hour. I'm like, well, that's a good thing. I mean, people are in shopping. She's like, well, I like that, but I just want to be able to shop myself and not have to drive in the traffic. I don't know how to fix that part, but I'm glad everyone's out on Saturday shopping in Draper. Our sales tax collection has always been going up. This last couple of years, as the economy – has not been great, despite what you might hear. It's flattened, and there's not a better economic indicator for a city than to watch sales tax start to flatten out. And when it started to flatten out, it was serious for us because we were using the growth year over year to fund our general fund operations. Police, fire, public works, all that stuff. And we've been doing, we're proud of that. That's something we've worked hard to do, something we wanted to do. We were systematic about trying to do it as long as we could do it without raising taxes. So we did tax increase this year, primarily to cover and fund public safety. It wasn't a big one, but it was one. And it's all going to public safety. But the reasons for it, you can see, we were the first lowest, we were the lowest property tax city in Salt Lake County. We're now the second lowest. And so we're still a very good value for your money. How many of you look at your tax bill every year? Oh, informed citizenry, excellent. You will note on your tax bill that a very small chunk goes to Draper City. On my tax bill, it's about 380 bucks. For 380 bucks, you get a police officer when you call, you get three dog parks, three, you get Draper Park, You get Draper days. You get firefighters and paramedics that are trained and carry a specific medication to save you in your coronary event. You get a brand new ambulance. You get people that will come and take care of what you expect the government to do. You get roads to drive on. You get parks. You get a brand new disk problem to go over from. You get city staff that you can call upon and work with. You get someone picking up your garbage. You get someone taking away your stormwater, all for me, for about $380 a year. It's a good value. No one likes paying the government, but for what you're paying, you're getting a good value. And I think that as you look at it like that, as we go forward, public safety is not going to get cheaper. It's getting more expensive for a couple of reasons. Primarily in law enforcement, it is because law enforcement had such a A moment from like a little before 2020 through where the police were vilified. They were, you know, there were cities and states that were defunding the police. Now, I can tell you that never entered any of our brains, not for one second. I thought that was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard when I heard of Portland, Oregon. I went to law school in Oregon, defunding the police. Well, what happened in those cities is it got worse. It got a lot worse. It didn't get better. But law enforcement... You take, like, our fine young lieutenant over here has been with us about, what, 16, 17 years now? 15. People used to, when I was a kid, people wanted to become police officers. If I had a room of 100 youth council, I could say, how many of you want to be cops? And, like, you know, 35, 40 hands would go up. Always. Now, zero hands go up. I've asked the youth council for five years in a row. We have 110 kids. Not one has raised their hand. to want to be a police officer. They ask about firefighters. Not one wants to be a firefighter. So I asked them this year, so who's going to get you when you have your heart attack? They just look at you. Well, who's going to do it when you start your house on fire? Who's coming when you need the police? No one likes to call the police. I get it. But when you need them, you do. And if you can't get them, what are you going to do? So these are serious national issues, but locally, We've been fortunate, especially in Draper, we have outstanding police officers. We have a high-quality department of educated folks who are committed. They want to be here. We have competition for our spots. We pay fairly. We're not the highest paid. We never will be. But we're fair and competitive. We believe in public safety. We believe you want public safety. I know I do. Then you switch to the fire side. It's the same thing. And the fire is even worse because the equipment that firefighters need, the trucks, the ambulances, the Type 1-3 wildland vehicles. When we started our fire department seven years ago, we bought our first fire truck, our big engine with the ladder. It was under a million dollars. It was like $890,000 for that truck. I thought it was a lot. It was. That same truck today is $2.1 million, and it takes two years to get it. If we order one today, we don't get it for two years. That's why it's so expensive, because these things have just gotten kind of crazy. But we're committed as a council, I'm committed as a mayor, that we're going to make sure public safety is never skimped on. We're always going to have the public safety we need. Now, our firefighters, we have them deployed. You might think, why is Draper, have any of you thought this? Why is Draper sending firefighters to California? Come on, someone out there thought that. I know you did, because my kid said to me, Why are we doing that? A couple of reasons. One, we don't do it for free. Okay, they pay us to go. And they pay well. That's a fact. But we learn, our firefighters learn about how to fight wildland fire. And they're good. And they've learned a lot because we've been to California a lot. They're there now along with a bunch of other firefighters from different departments. But we go to learn, we go to help, and we go because they pay us to go. We are a better fire department for it, so we will always continue to do it. A few years back on the Mendocino Complex fire, we lost a firefighter, got killed in the line of duty and in the fire. Terrible tragedy. Gavin Newsom, whether you like him or not, the governor of California, I was trying to help get our firefighters' remains home, and I was having a difficult time with our own state to do it. It might surprise you. Sometimes I... I am always working on my profanity every year, but I never make it very far. And that particular night, I was upset, but I talked to the governor of California, and he sent the remains home in an Air National Guard C-130. And he didn't say a word to us. He didn't bat an eye. He didn't say anything. It was amazing. But, I mean, that can happen. So whenever we send them out, we're always worried, and we always wish them the best. But they're good, and that's kind of why we do it. So you can see the additional charge to residents for what you were getting from the tax increase. Although no one likes them, I think it was a fair one. Now, next one's water rate increase. You might have noticed, if you get your water from, how many get water per water? Okay, this doesn't even apply to you then. There's a small segment of Draper, not a small segment, Westside, Suncrest, South Mountain, that get their water from Draper City Water. Now, we don't own water. We don't have a well. We're not making this watered. We buy it from Jordan Valley Water, and we pump it to you and sell it to you really at our cost of maintenance of the system. And so it's not a revenue stream for us. We've had low water rates for many, many years. Water rates went up this year. They're going to keep going up, and they're going to go for a while because part of that cost is maintaining the pipes and the lines and the pumps. We pump water to the top of Suncrest. Some of our lines have 400 PSI in them. main transmission line 400 psi that's more than the bottom of Hoover Dam that's the kind of pump system we have to deliver water to the top of the mountain so that's not cheap the pumps are over a million each the valve some of the pressure valves are over a million each so sorry folks but if you're on Draper water we're going to be incrementally raising and it's all going to cover rebuilding and keeping the system going Jordan I said Jordan Susan should have caught me go to the next one Jake I thought one school district split as an elected official was enough. I truly did. Because I was instrumentally involved in the Jordan Canyon split. And I don't think I'm going to be understating it if I say it was nasty for a while. In fact, it was so nasty at the beginning that the city council rezoned all the school district's property to institutional zone. We did. It was a very nasty affair because we didn't want them to sell it as they were splitting off to developers. So it was uncomfortable, but it worked out, and the Canyon School District has been superb. So I figure that's never happening to me again, ever. Well, it is. So on the Alpine side of our city, if you didn't know, we are in two counties where there's only a few cities in the state that are in two separate counties. So we have a section of ours, and you can see down in here, Alpine Highland, this area. So part of our... draper part that you can see in that purple as it's around the boundary those kids go to the alpine school district and so the northern school the northern cities have decided that the alpine school district's too big it is it's bigger than the jordan was at the time of the split it's the biggest school district in this in the state so they said they they've been wanting to upgrade and build some new schools improve their learning experience for their children But the southern half of Utah County, and I'm not trying to disparage Utah County in any way, but the southern half will never pass a bond. So they can't get any money to rebuild any buildings or do any of the things they need to do. So the northern half decided that, look, we're going to form our own because we know what we need and we're willing to, our citizens want it. And so that now is underway. And the, you know, the cities are involved in it. So it's an interesting thing to be back. And I will tell you, this split is, is much more amicable than the one that we did earlier. When we split Jordan and Canyons, it was the first school district split in 150 years. Now this is the second. So it's moving along, but if you live in that area, that's affecting you. And we're part of it because we have kids in the area. But it's moving along nicely. We've got an interlocal of all of us northern cities. The southern cities are gonna form one, and then the western cities, Vineyard and Eagle Mountain, so there are going to be three ultimately new school districts when it all gets said and done. Next, I wanted to talk to you again about wildland fire prevention. I touched on it a little bit. This is a picture from last summer when we were out helping fight fires in California. The point of this slide and the reason I want to talk about it a little bit more in depth is we have a large wildland interface, urban wildland interface. So how many of you live in Suncrest? Daryl, how many of you live on South Mountain? Okay, all right, so a lot of you. I think at Councilwoman Lowry's house, her backyard is the wildland interface. I mean, the coyotes are back there trying to eat her dogs, always. The mountain lions are back there. There's even a bobcat, but they live back there. That's the wildland area. Now the oak that you, if you've watched the California wildfires, the particular species of oak that they have in LA in that county is the most combustible oak tree in the world. And the second most is what we have. So the wildland interface is a key thing for us. We haven't had a fire in quite a while. I think Mayor Johnson and I are the only two mayors I know of in the last decade that actually evacuated their cities over, do you remember a couple years ago, there was a fire in Lehigh. It started in Lehigh and it started up the mountain. Our fire chief always goes out of town for these events, and he was out of town on this event, but I remember being in the truck, sitting in the neighborhood where Councilman Roberts at the time lived, and looking up at the flames and talking to Bart Rodry, who was then our assistant chief and wildland firefighter, firefighting expert he was up there on near the flames and we had this discussion on the radio about evacuating people I can't tell you the exact language because it was definitely not kid appropriate but the rule the the word came through it's time to evacuate so we did and then the wind shifted we just got lucky quite frankly the wind shifted at the ridge and it blew itself out had the wind not shifted we might have lost part of the neighborhood could have lost a lot of neighborhoods so From that we learned, and our firefighting team, we go up every year between June, actually earlier in June. You can see, they sought out and got a $500,000 grant. June to October, they're clearing underbrush. If you live in the wildland interface, they will come to you. They will tell you what to do to create defensive space. Have you heard that term? Defensive space is the key. They'll come, they'll teach you what to do to make sure your house is safe if some of this stuff starts up. course our goal is to not have any fires and as far as fire prevention goes some of the things we've done you might have noticed the corner Canyon dirt road is closed to vehicle traffic I know that bugs people I get it people like to drive up there and hike you know what we haven't had since we closed it no fire I usually don't tell people I'm the mayor or go out and try to be the pull the mayor card on folks but a couple years ago we were on a mountain bike ride I think we had one of the congressman was riding with us we were showing him around and And we stopped at the top of the road where that bathroom is as you come up from Orson Smith. And we were sitting there talking, and these kids pulled up in a truck. And they got out, two girls, two boys. Each one of them had a sack. One of them had a sack of Roman candles. Sack. One of them had a sack of Jack Daniels. I don't know how many you need, but they had a sack of it. The other one had a sack of firewood. And they were walking up, and I looked at them get out of the truck, and I thought, well, I've got to say something now. I've just got to go over there. So I went over and I said, these don't normally do this, but what are you doing? Well, they're going, we're just going to go, you know, build a fire and shoot a few fireworks, have a good time. I'm like, oh, are you? Yeah, no, you're not. And they were just stunned that we didn't allow Roman candles in our wildland fire interface. But it was right after that we closed the road because every fire that we've had, I think without question, has been a firework cause one that we've had in our canyon. I hate fireworks. I'm not un-American. I like to watch them, but I don't like them. anywhere in our band zone. And so we have an area that they're banned. We're serious about it. We're trying to protect our neighborhoods and our open space. But our fire department, again, punching above its weight, very skilled, very well educated on how to teach you how to keep your property safe. And then what we can clear of our open space, we are clearing. One of the things the firefighters have told me that are in California, one of them told me, said, Mayor, the fuel, the underbrush fuel is 12 feet tall. So underneath their oak is this underbrushed fuel. They've never cleared it. I don't think they cleared it since the 62 fire they had. But it's why it's going, because there's so much fuel. Our goal is that we chip it, we pull the material out, chip it, lay it out to be eaten so it can't burn. That's something that we're doing for you. For your 350 bucks a year, I might add. Growth, let's talk about that. If you look at the most expensive thing we do is infrastructure, aside from public safety. When I was elected originally to the city council, it's been a while, you could pave a 60 foot wide piece of asphalt for one mile for about $800,000 a mile, which was a lot. That same 60 foot wide piece of asphalt for a mile is about 2 million right now. And so that's, we have, I told the league this today, we have 486 lane miles, or 438 lane miles in Draper City, in our little town. That's all the way past St. George in Lane Miles. And that's, you know, that isn't a replacement. We used to not have a road replacement program. We used to just sort of fix them when they fell completely apart. We got a new public works director and, you know, some of his great ideas were like, hey, you know, we ought to come up with a plan so we can kind of move through the city on, you know, and get these things fixed. And so we do. We'll come Slurry-Sillow Road. Now, people will say to me, why aren't you doing my road? It all depends on if your road's too old. If it's too old, we don't do the treatments. We have to do different things. Had a lady call one time a couple years ago. It was awesome. We just slurry-sealed the neighborhood. You know, beautiful road that's black and pretty. And this lady was having a wedding, and she wanted us to come slurry-seal her neighborhood. So she had a white house, and she said, make it pop. And we had to explain to her, that's not paint. It's road treatment, and we're not coming to your neighborhood because your road's too old. We do have a maintenance program and we take our BNC road money and we take our sales tax money and our general fund money and we are systematically improving our roads. Are they perfect? No. And I know there's potholes and I know all that. But we are moving through the city and doing all we can do with the money that we have. And it's expensive. It's just expensive. That storm we had two a year ago. What year? 2023. That 150 year storm did $5.6 million damage to our city in 10 minutes. In 10 minutes, it ripped roads apart, it blew storm systems apart. It destroyed things that we didn't know even needed to be fixed. And that was in 10 minutes of water. So storm water, 129 miles of storm drain. So there's a lot, 85 miles of just water line. So some of the things we got going as far as infrastructure goes, Third East widening is underway. And it's, well, I guess it's done now. We got it all done. That was an expensive project that was needed. Now we're down on 138. Any of you live close to 138? I know some of you do. That's a tough road, right? There's no shoulders, no sidewalks and that. So we're moving down 138 now. We're starting that process and it's expensive. And we're in the design part and we're acquiring right away to get it done. So we haven't forgotten, we know it's important, and we're moving towards it. The council is good at prioritizing the projects that make the most sense. We try to spend our money the best we can, but where it makes the most impact, and that certainly is one. We did this Adopt the Storm Drain program. Are many of you familiar with that? If you ever see your neighbor out there dumping his used oil in the storm drain, yeah, you gotta adopt that storm drain. Storm drain all goes to Great Salt Lake, all ultimately goes to the Jordan River and to the Great Salt Lake. The Adopt a Storm Drain program is about trying to keep our storm water clean, keeping debris and garbage and chemicals out of it. So we've had a great success with this. People are excited. They got their own storm drain and they've adopted it. They're caring for it, making sure if leaves build up around the mouth, people are clearing it out to make sure the storm water flows. My storm drain that I have not adopted but is in front of my house is home to a number of raccoons on any given time. My dog has tried to get in the storm drain a few times, but we watch our storm drains and it's a great program because you might not think that's a big deal, but it's a big deal for us. And if you can keep them clear, we don't have to, and we don't have to, we get a backup big storm, it's amazing to be able to get the water out of there. Let's see, housing. Housing is the issue that we deal with at the League of Cities and Towns with the legislature every single year. Now, depending on your point of view, if you listen to some legislators in years past, we're on much better terms this year, but in some years past, the entire housing crisis was the fault of the cities. It was strictly our fault, 100%, because we didn't approve density, we were too slow to get permits, we have setbacks, we require parking, we have park strips, all the things that make it all expensive all our fault. And I'm not underscoring all our fault. All our fault. Well, of course, that's not true. We don't control interest rates. We certainly don't control land value. And we don't control labor. And we don't control materials and all those things. But as things have gone along, we as a city, I'm a Star Trek fan. One of my favorite ones was The Undiscovered Country. I don't know if any of you are Star Trek fans, but there's this point there where Kirk asks Spock why he volunteered him for this mission, and Spock tells him his reason, and Kirk says, look, we've done our bit for team and country. We don't need to go again. Well, I look at this on housing units, and I think we've done our bit for team and country in many ways. 17,515, that includes, I mean, 303 and 24. Now, there were times when I was first elected that we would be here until midnight all the time because we were growing so fast, so many permits, but 303 is still a lot. Home values are, you know, 80%, $750,000 per home. These homes over my shoulder in this area here, I think they're starting price on the quarter acre house. Anybody want to guess? Has anybody bought one? How much? Yeah, 1.2 million. 1.2 million starting price. Starting price on a quarter acre. Now, that's not my fault. It's not our council's fault. It's just how it is, right? The league has done some really good data. We gathered it last couple years. We have hundreds of thousands of entitled units that are not being developed because the infrastructure is too expensive to get there. So these are the things we balance. So you can see what we're doing. We have a lot of apartments. We have as many as we, we have more than some cities. We have as much as I think we need. I think we need more town homes. I think we need condominiums to become a thing. Our kids have a place to buy something they can afford. Now, what's an affordable house? I mean, what's affordable? I can tell you what the state says is affordable. It's anything $350 to $450 to $500. That's affordable. Everywhere in the state, that's affordable. I don't know if it's affordable or not. I have three adult kids still live with me, so don't tell my kids I said this. I love them. They're great. They have college education degrees, they have good jobs, they're saving money, but they don't, they can't, there's nothing to buy. There's just simply nothing to buy. Do you all, have you all felt this with your kids? You can go rent and spend a lot of money on rent, but I would rather them save their money. So our goal across the board this year and the last couple, the governor's goal, 33,000 new owned units. The league's goal, that. Of course the developer's goal, you know, as many as they can sell. But we're working hand in hand as a government and as a state legislature. We're coming up with smaller lots, different setbacks. We're coming up with overlay zones to give density for owned projects. Because I think ownership is the key. If our kids can't buy something and build some equity, they're never gonna get ahead like we did. They're never gonna have any real financial tool to move them up. And so it's imperative that we fix the problem. Now when I say we, I don't mean the government, because the government mostly sucks at what it does. There's a few things we do good, but we are not designed to make houses cheaper. We are not designed to make the economy work. But the government still tries to get in it. I have my philosophical differences. I've talked to Calvin a lot of times about it. I mean, a down payment assistance program, it sounds really good, except for what the developer does is raises the price for the down payment assistance. It doesn't really... You know, it's government trying to fix, it's like sticking fingers in the dike. But we're working to do some things. And one of the things we just did is the Clark and Christine Ivory Foundation, we partnered with them. We're doing nine units to start, nine townhomes. And we get money that we generate called CBDG money, and I can't remember what the acronym stands for. I'm sorry. But we have a lot of money in it. We're supposed to use it for housing and affordable housing. But it's tough in Draper because of the land cost. So we are able to take some of this and put it into this program. So we took some of our money and bought down the mortgages for these nine units. They're available to police officers, firefighters, and Canyon School District employees. And they're going to be available. And we're going to do more of them. But we're doing it with ownership is the goal. And that's what we're trying to do. It's still government intervention. And Daryl, I know you want to have a talk all about it. But I have to be after this meeting. But it's... It's what's in vogue. If we do this kind of stuff, the legislature and the governor, I don't know if it works. I really don't. Deed restrictions, I don't know what it really means at the end of the day, but that's what we're doing. We had a meeting and we had a large amount of employees who were interested because we'd like our police officers and firefighters and teachers to live in our community. We really would. There is an age-old secret about affordable housing, right? THE ONLY WAY HOUSING IS EVER MADE AFFORDABLE, HOW IS IT DONE? IT'S SUBSIDIZED. WHEN YOU SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S A DIRTY WORD, BUT IT'S AFFORDABLE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS MAKING IT AFFORDABLE. IN THIS CASE, THE GOVERNMENT. SO, AGAIN, RECHANNELING YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO MAKE, I KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE DISCUSSION. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE AFTER AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. So these units will be de-restricted so they can live in them. They can get a 4% growth over time. So if they sell it, they can at least capture 4% of the equity. And then it comes back to the city to recycle it again. We're trying it. A couple of cities have done it. We're giving it a go. We think it's going to be a good opportunity. So last, or we're getting close to the point. Let's get right to that and talk about that a little bit. The point, 690 acres. Phase one is under contract with a developing team. They're called IPP. One of them is a local Draper name, Wadsworth Development. The other one is Lincoln Properties, which is a national developer. And the other one is a Utah group called Colmina Group. You might have heard of them. They're partners together. They're skilled, very capable developers that build high-quality, awesome stuff. and they won the phase one contract. Phase one's about 68 acres. And so we just barely broke ground on the Porter Rockwell extension. So coming out of Bluffdale, Porter Rockwell Drive, it's now going through the point connecting to the underpass on Bangor. That was our groundbreaking ceremony. I got to operate the backhoe and even Tasha got in the backhoe. And I think a backhoe operator goes home every night completely satisfied with their life because they dug a big hole, they knocked some stuff down, and they go home and they're like, yeah, it was a great day. I go home, lay in bed, fret. I need to get a job. I thoroughly enjoyed it. But anyway, let's go to the next slide. What's going to go at the point? Everyone wants to know. And I kind of don't know, but I do. Muriel is our... Muriel, raise your hand. She's our... She's here to watch me because she never knows what I'll say about the point. We know what we want. How's it going to come out? So you've got different concepts. This convergence hall, it's happening. That's going to happen. And it's going to be, it's a spectacular building. Really cool building. And it's going to get built. It's one of the first things going to come out of the ground. And it's a convergence of education and tech and business and opportunity. And it's going to be cool. And it's coming. And that's a guarantee. Coming from that, the next thing we got that's for sure coming, that river to range trail. That's going to connect the Jordan River to our side of the freeway, ultimately across the freeway in some form. That's coming for sure. And it's going to be awesome. It's going to be just a great thoroughfare down to the Jordan River. Then we've got our promenade, our area for commerce and opportunity. I can't tell you about some of the stuff that's in the works because it's not completely landed yet, but I can tell you that at least one of the things, if we pull it together, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be all right. You're going to be happy with it. It's going to be cool. But it's going to take a while for it to develop. The point's probably the whole parcel, the whole 690 acres is going to be, I would say it's a 20-year, 25-year build-out. But this phase one won't be, and it's gonna start quick, and you're gonna see buildings start to come up, convergence hall, some residential, some office, and then this cool thing I can't tell you about yet. But cool, very cool. The point is a state land use authority created by the legislature. The members of the point board are all politicians but a couple. There's a lady in Alpine, April Cooper, who's a, civilian, as we like to call her. She's the only non-government person that's on it. But everyone else is either a senator, a house member, a mayor. We have a couple of mayors, a county mayor, me, Mayor Ramsey from South Jordan. I'm on there in the statutory capacity as mayor. That's the defined role for this Mayor Draper. But everyone else, they kind of move around. But it's a good group of people with a broad amount of experience about different types of development, the way the state can develop its property. The key thing to remember about the point is the point has land use authority. It is not looking to Draper City for land use authority. It's a state project. It's owned by the state. The state never needs our land use authority, and they don't ever come looking for it. They do what they do. Now, we're working on an agreement right now. We're about to hammer it through where we will provide service and, you know, maintenance and some of those things that we do as a city, but it'll be really on a contract basis because it's a state project. Phase one is the only phase that's let right now, and they're working on that. Now the developers, quite honestly, are always trying to get into phase two. They haven't even got phase one yet, but they are always looking at phase two. But as you look at the future of the point, I think what you're gonna see that we didn't initially have planned there is owned housing. You're gonna see housing that's gonna be in condo form, hopefully big buildings, townhome form, and some single family form, I think. And so it's going to be an interesting mix outside of phase one. You're going to see some of that stuff. Now the transit component. Last year I had the 15-minute city guys here. Any of those guys here today? Very concerned about the point. We were going to lock you in there, facial rec, keep you in, not let you out. Couldn't get out. Once you're in, you're nervous like the Hotel California. You were in, but you were never going to leave. Obviously not the case because we've got a lot of roads going in and out, and there's no barriers, no facial recognition that I'm aware of. But... We think as you look to the point, you're gonna see this economic opportunity going forward and it's gonna be unique. The end of the day, the prison's gone. And so whatever happens there is gonna be more valuable to us than the prison. The prison was a black hole of no tax regeneration, no property tax value, nothing. And so now you have this economic opportunity. But the land use authority is the way the state wants to do it and the way it's been being operated. So we have consultants. lawyers all of it um we have our own council that represents us so i wear two hats i put my i put my point board hat on and cause trouble then take that one off put my mayor hat on and really cause trouble um and so we work around we're we're working together with them well we're moving along and it's going to be a great future project and it's our future um it's our it's where all the growth is going to be with that um i i guess the last thing i would i would want to talk about is our quality of life. You know, we have 117 miles of open space trail space now. I think it's actually a little bit more than that. 5,000 acres of city-owned open space held in a conservation easement. We do 35 annual community events. You've all been to Draper Days, 42 parks, 30 recreational programs. Those are all things we know you want. If you look at that picture of Draper Days, that's Friday night last year, Savannah Keys. is the performer on the stage. The numbers from the last two Draper Days, last year's nights, 40,000 plus people coming to Draper Days between the two nights. Amazing. We try to have good acts. They're getting more expensive, too. The music business has changed where artists make money performing. They don't make money selling music anymore. They make all their money coming and doing shows. The price of even like cover bands has started to inch up. It's very interesting. But our goal is to continue to provide those events that you love and that you care about that make your family have a place to go have fun in the summer or at the parks. You know, we just built a brand new disc golf course. I'm not a disc golfer. I hate golf in general, but this disc golf course, it's awesome. Down in the river bottoms, it's very well received. A lot of people that play it love it, say it's state of the art for that. Jensen Farm Park, go to that. That's a park on the west side that was badly needed. Again, my hat's off to the council. They made it a priority to make sure that the west side got some of these amenities. This park is cool. I mean, it's just partially under construction. That playground is in. That pavilion's in. And as we move forward, we're gonna incorporate the river. It's really gonna be something. And the timeline's moved up a little. We're gonna build some of it quicker. Um, the Westside community, I have to say they were, they were more than happy about it. They just, they couldn't, it's just a great place for, you know, 30% of our population is under 18. So that's, that's the kind of things we're trying to do. And then questions and comments. I, I, I could talk all night. It's one of my weaknesses. I'll shut up, take any questions that you want to ask me. None. No public comment. Excellent. Well, you can see, um, you know, you can see kind of just sort of what we had, going on that's a disc golf thing and yeah that's a great question I don't know it could be three phases could be four depends on it's not really set in stone but that's a great question but right now it's just phase one so we're we're honing out on getting phase one built and it's moving it's finally the dirt's moving now so that's good yes another great question yes I don't know I think so yeah I mean I the reason I said I don't know is because if you asked me what should do what they should use for the mode I would say light rail I think anything but light rail isn't that does that doesn't make sense light rail is a hundred and ten million dollars a mile so you thought asphalt was expensive but that that that's expensive business now I Whether we do it or not really depends on the will of the state government. If the state government's committed to it, we'll have light rail. I think it'll be light rail, ultimately, because it makes the most sense. Well, the interesting thing about that is to get light rail in and out of the point, light rail has to go home at night. It has to be able to get back to its... I'm a pilot, so I want to say hangar. It's not a hangar. It's a... garage, I guess, or maybe it's a train hangar. If it comes into the point, it's either got to come in and go out and have a way to loop back. I don't know if the east side track is ... It just depends on what makes the most sense for moving the vehicles. UTA would like to get away from the overhead cantilever system and go to a power system on the rail like they do in most places. So there's some of that being looked at. Some of it's been talked about as a battery operated train that would move from the Front Runner track into the point and then back out. Front Runner is also gonna have a stop at the point that's underway, which is cool and key. In Front Runner, one of the things our state government has done is they funded the double tracking of Front Runner and it's underway. Front Runner is an amazing transportation system. You're probably thinking, no, it's not, Mayor Dunn, it takes an hour to get downtown. I get it, it takes 40 minutes. When it's double-tracked, it's going to take 15 minutes. There'll be 15-minute headways. When that happens, Frontrunner's really valuable. Right now, we think Frontrunner takes one lane off the freeway, as poorly timed as it is. So the double-tracking is underway, happening now, going to make a big difference. I'm unarmed, by the way. Well, you can look at the property. The county line is the border. But as far as what they'll want to develop, I'm assuming they'll want to develop whatever makes the most money, which will probably be similar to what the point is, but it'll be a lot farther down the road. I mean, the gravel guys are smart. They get the gravel, they sell that to you, and then they get the land after they're done, which is maybe more valuable than the gravel. Yes? I can give you one. The repair of the canyon is complete. The entire debris field has been removed. So if any of you have been up on Ange Trail lately, I mean, it's there. They wrapped the channel with rock. We reseeded with gamble oak and vegetation. So it's all been restored. It's all completely back to as good as it can get right now. I mean, obviously, it was a slide area, but... you'll see plants and oak trees coming out of the ground next year, next spring, and that's all being done. As far as what's going to happen in the pit, I don't know, you know, they haven't finished out the pit, how they're going to fix it. The one thing I will say, I mean, it's, you know, Edge Homes, I mean, what a name for, you know, for the... I called Steve Maddox, I'm like, man, what a bad name. But I will tell you this, Edge, I mean... When it happened, my worry and fear was the company would walk and just say, we're bankrupt, sorry, we're out. And there would have been no way we could have cleaned it up. It's cost millions of dollars to clean up. Edge Homes has stepped up. They paid for every nickel of it. And they have not backed away from it. They did not walk away. They cleaned it up. And so I have nothing but thanks and praise for them in that sense. I mean, obviously, I wish the houses wouldn't collapse, but... They didn't walk away. They didn't point fingers. Now, I'm sure they'll be pointing them later, but they didn't leave it to us to deal with, and they accommodated our open space, and they got it cleaned up, and they got it done. Now, will they build two new houses there and sell them? I don't know. I'm just going to go out on a limb here. I wouldn't buy one. Yeah, that was an intense moment, because when it happened, we'd been in a battle with them a little bit, and We kicked the people out, and Edge was mad, and their lawyer and I, he and I are friends, and he called me and yelled at me and said, we're going to have to sue you. And I'm like, well, I don't know. Go ahead. I'm a lawyer. It doesn't get me all nervous. But he said, well, we need a helical period. So we said, okay. So they period it. They helical period it. And then when it collapsed, me being me, I called him and said, hey, dude, the piers, they're on top of the houses, by the way. But anyway, it worked out good. It was... It was a tough situation to evict those people, but obviously it was a smart situation to have done it. I'm glad we did, because it would have been much worse had it not just been houses. Yes, ma'am. No, that will hopefully be phase two. But phase two can start any time. It's not restricted. Phase one doesn't have to be done. before phase two starts. And the reason I'm saying, bringing this up, is it's not something we've done or decided, but the governor's order that he just put out a couple of weeks ago is that every state parcel that the state owns, every parcel of land has to be evaluated for potential home ownership housing. Every piece that UDOT has, that any agency has. And so it's hard for, and I said this to the governor, as a governor, it's kind of hard to blame cities for the housing crisis and then... And then on your state land, you build apartments. It just doesn't sit right with anybody. And it doesn't sit right with the governor either. So, you know, there's a new state housing plan about to hatch that's been in the works for a while. I haven't seen all of it yet, but it's about to come out. So, but yeah, ultimately I think you're going to see owned property in there, which is good. It needs to, some of it needs to be. Yes, Deb. Well, That's another excellent question. The development agreement is like two Bibles, maybe the Gutenberg Bible. I don't know how thick the other ones are, but it's pretty thick. The agreement, because the state owns it, we don't get to collect property tax from it because the king doesn't have to pay taxes. But in the agreement, we've worked out a way to sort of assess the buildings as they come out and split what would be property tax in lieu and then also revenue from sales tax. So we have a revenue source coming off of it. I mean, as soon as there's revenue coming off of it, I guess is the way to say it. It's going to take a little while because it's going to be a little bit slow coming out of the ground. But, you know, ultimately, yeah. But any time, if the property gets owned by people, then it gets full property tax like every other piece of property. Any other questions? Yes. Well, I like to say we have lanes in which we operate. And I always tell people, I've had people run for council or want to do something, they want to work on schools. And I'm always like, well, there's a place you can do that exclusively. It's called the school board. And if you want to do schools, man, you can get on that school board and more power to you because it's a political job I would not do. But we don't really get in. That's not our lane. It's not something that it's not what we have taxing authority to do. We don't have money to do it and we aren't doing it. Now, I will say the only part that we're getting roped into doing is there's this bill, I can't remember the name of it, Susan, which one is it? I call it the lunch lady with an AR-15 bill. The armed lunch lady bill. Oh, yeah, sorry. Our city manager is more diplomatic, school guardians. It's a freaking lunch lady with a gun, okay? This genius is that if the lunch lady's packing a 1911 and a shooter comes in, she can drop the biscuits, take the dude out. Now, you might think that sounds dumb, because I do. This literally is a bill, and what they're trying to do is make schools have some designated armed person that no one knows who they are, like the high school kids won't figure that out in two seconds. But the lunch lady, I always think Adam Sandler in Saturday Night Live skiff, the lunch lady's got a rifle now. So one of the problems with that bill is they want us to pay for it. Or our police chief, as you can imagine, our police chief has a problem with this. Because, one, can the lunch lady shoot? I don't know. I know people that shoot for a living, and in a stressful situation, they miss 17 of the 19 rounds they put down range. Even trained officers miss. Now, the lunch lady, maybe she's money. I don't know. But... you better be because you know so our police chief's worried about collateral damage rounds going past a kid and missed round hitting another you know it's nuts so then they're like well what do you want what are you going to what's your solution i'm like why about lock the buildings down make them entry proof um uvalde they open the back door that's how the shooter got in happens in all our schools teacher or somebody opened the back door somebody gets entry We're working on that. One of the new things is that they think the lunch lady thing is not that great. Now they want a cop in every school, a police officer. We can't do it. We just can't do it. We don't have enough cops. I mean, that's seven, nine, how many, 12? If you look at every school, it's half of, it's an entire A and B shift of just school resource officers. We just don't have it. No city does. But that's the only part of education that we're fighting about right now. And I don't know where it's going to go. Because like I say, I don't come up with this stuff. I mean, you know, my wife loves January because football season's over and the legislative session starts. It's not my favorite month. But we have 44 more days, right? And they do all kinds of crazy stuff. Calvin, hopefully he doesn't do any. You're going to watch him. But they do. They come up with some dumb stuff, folks. I mean, they do. And then they... Once it's a good idea, the Good Idea Ferry is free, and they're just spreading pitsy dust all over everybody. So that's kind of where we're at. The session's always tough because, like I said, I'm glad we're only a 45-day session. I wish we were a 12-day session. You can get a lot done in 12 days. You can get a lot done on the last day is what I've learned. Anyway, any other questions? Yes. Yes. Most of the time the city does. We are working on those. If you want to contact my city manager over here, they just did them in a couple neighborhoods. They're out working all winter. They're cutting them down and fixing them. One of the last things I wanted to say is we're trying our best to keep you informed as best we can. We use the social media. We don't use TikTok. We're not communists. No, I never did. I'm more of an Instagram guy. We have a social media presence. We have a Facebook presence, Instagram presence. We do a podcast called Draper Talk. It's awesome. It's an international audience. I think we've got a person living in Europe that listens, so it counts. Most listened to government podcast in the country last year. Right, Linda? It was the best one. It was the best one. Yes. Linda, stand up. Linda's our communications director, and so... We try to keep you informed, but you can go on our website if you have an issue. You can obviously email us, council members and me. We'll send it on to Kelly or Mike and get your concern addressed. I mean, it's the best we can do. We're working on those silos, but you're right. They're out there. The trees, you know, we didn't have a cohesive tree plan at the beginning, so there's all kinds of different trees and lift them and move them around. Any other questions? Yes, sir. Oh, man. On the trail? The electric, like electric. Now, a true e-bike that is a Class III e-bike, we allow them on the trails. Like it's 750 watts or less. Right. What's your question about that? I appreciate that you think I can just give you that, but I can't. But I do appreciate the confidence. You can probably talk. I think we've got information on our website that talks about it. Because this may shock you, but we do get complaints too. So, you know, on the public road, fine. But when they get on the paved trail and they're doing 30 miles an hour and they're in proximity to hidden people, that's the issue and that's the complaints we get. So, you know, if they're riding on the public road... But the paved trails is probably the spot we've got the most rub with them as far as that goes. But obviously the canyon, they're not allowed because they're not true e-bikes. But I mean, some of those bikes do 80 miles an hour. So I mean, I've seen them go by. We do have a police officer, if you didn't know, that's job is to patrol the open space. And his specific job is he's up there on an e-bike and on foot and in his truck. And he writes tickets for off-leash dog. And so if you're up there and it's not a spot for the dogs to be off-leash, you'll get a ticket. He's up there to protect you, keep you safe, and just enforce the law. So that's something the council did that I think is really unique. And I don't know of any other cities that have a ranger, and we do. And it's a pretty good job, right, Lieutenant? I mean, at the end of the day, yeah. I mean, he's biking around all day, you know. chasing coyotes but any other questions Excellent. Look, folks, our goal is to try to provide the best high-quality service we can to you. We're not your nanny. We're not going to fix all your problems. We don't want to. We're not good at a lot. We're good at some things. We do the stuff we're good at. Our goal is to do the things we do well, keep you safe, make sure your roads work, your trails are good, and your taxes are low. But it's a process that we appreciate people being involved in our process. We have amazing staff. It's just a great place. It's a great city. There's no other place I'd rather live. All the places I've lived, this is my favorite place. It's an amazing town, amazing people, and we're just fortunate to live here. And I'm grateful to have been. I'm grateful to be the mayor. I'm grateful to have lived here and served in this capacity and just even being a citizen of the community. I love it. So thank you all for coming out. I really appreciate coming to listen and happy to. Refreshments are out in the hall.