All right, sorry. It is 9 a.m., so we'll call the Chemone County Property Development Corporation. I did not arrest. I just say good morning and welcome back to the Cotter Show. What was that show? Welcome back, Cotter. Good morning. How are you? Absolutely. Is this Michelle? It is. Tom Sweet. Hi, Tom. Pleased to meet you. And welcome to the board. Thank you. So we did call the meeting in order. And opening business, this one. Yes. Yeah. OK. So I'll have a motion to approve the minutes of last month. Thank you, Brad and Warren. Thank you very much. Any corrections or additions? Any comments? So we have a new board member, Michelle Johnson. I figured we would go ahead and do some introductions. I know some of us know you. We do, yeah. Danielle Kenny, Arbor Housing and Development. We administer the land bank on behalf of the board. Okay, cool. Doug Madison, construction manager for Arbor Housing and Development. I'm Emily Barrett with Habitat. I just come and hang out once in a while. I'm Warren Roman with the IBEW, the Electrician's Union Home. I'm Teresa Murdock, Rural Property Tax Director. All right, Joe Roman with the IDA and STAG, and I'm also the treasurer of the Arboretum. I'm Emma Moran. I'm the director of community development in the city of Elmira, and I'm also the secretary for the board. I'm Allison Herman. I'm the grants manager in the planning department for Chabon County, and I also just hang out. I'm Francis Thurman from the legislature and the vice chair. I'm Mary Rockey. I'm from Steg, and I take the minutes. And we just met. I'm Tom Sweet. And you're the chairman. Chairman. That's what they say. Chairman, yeah. Can I let you believe that? Yeah. She's going to fit right in. Project coordinator for our warehousing and development. And they didn't say, but Teresa and Warren are also on our board. Well, thank you, Danielle. Thank you, Tom. So for old business, we, at our last meeting, had discussed briefly the home buyer development program. This was going to... I have another slide where we discuss... Just 802 Oak, 610 Falk, and 1006 Oak, and the potential to allow Arbor Housing to buy those properties off of the land bank. With the grant right now, the land bank doesn't yet have the new construction experience. We're hoping after the two homes that we have vetted for new construction, you know, if the grant comes out again, then we will be more fit to apply for it. In the meantime, Arbor is happy to take it. If you recall, we asked them to email. If you had a chance to read it, fine. If not, that's fine, too. I didn't have anything to do one afternoon, one evening, so I read it and it looked to me like there's something more that we could really bite into at this time. So additionally, there is a 15-year compliance period that is required. So every year there would need to be like a residency, essentially those files would have to be kept to ensure that the people that are in the home still live there, they're qualified. So there's just a lot more long term than I think what the land bank is really set up to do. Arbor already administers that type of process for another one of our programs, so it kind of just fit in as Tara said. They really want people who have development experience to be applying for this funding. So it's not land bank specific funding like the LBI grants and some of the other funding options that are out there. So we felt it was good collaboration. Arbor would purchase the properties through a purchase option agreement from the land bank. Obviously pending funding is, you know, Joe's pretty familiar with the option agreements. Once Arbor were to obtain the funding, we would then purchase them for what we feel is market value. We did have a realtor do a market analysis to be able to determine what those costs were. We never did want to ask for a donation. We wanted to at least make sure that the land bank was being, you know, profiting in some way for their previous efforts in the properties. Anybody got any questions or anything about that? I'll just say it's a great idea. And Tom, does this fit in? This fits in with, you know, we've never done infill development, right? So this is the first time we're finally starting to do infill development, which is desperately needed. Instead of just leaving the vacant land or selling it, now we're actually repurposing with housing. I think it's great. So then we'll have some vacant land that we'll have to negotiate with Harbor Housing. I think we go for the high dollar. I think so, too. Listen, we don't have that DG money, okay? Yeah, there you go. Do you have that on the agenda to handle, or is that for a later date or what? We can do it today, yeah. I don't know if we need to do it. Okay. Okay. Okay, is everybody okay with that? Okay. So financial report. Who wants to take a look at financials? I actually, I did look at them. And I do have a couple questions. So one, I don't know, on the balance sheet, can we, on the balance sheet, can we also put the, 1231 from the previous years is another column for each. That would be helpful. And then, again, as I always say, I'm thinking a lot of this is timing for the actuals. Okay. All right. That makes sense on the balance sheet to me because you obviously look at the numbers and we're down a little bit, but it's a timing thing that should be made up by the end of the year. Yes. Everything is on a reimbursement basis. I believe you just did a disbursement, right? It is, and actually this number, the 199, doesn't show the 256,882 as well as the 61,461. So they went in since this was printed. And then I also just sent out a disbursement on Monday for another $166,020. Thank you. And on the income statement, you look at the annual budget, 12-31-2025, 1.4, we still believe we're going to hit that? Revenues? Yeah, I mean, we're going to have, we'll go through updates for the properties, but the few that are under construction now, you know, and then again with the grant funding that we're expecting in, like Tara just said, we've got a few, you know, over $500,000 that we're expecting in for that. And it takes HCR typically about two weeks to 30 days to fund the money. I don't know if it's on here or not, but they did just come out with a renewal for the phase one, which covers the administrative cost for $100,000 a year. So we did reapply for that money as well. So that's something that we anticipate. There's no reason we wouldn't get that money. Awesome. And then just on the grounds, it looks like we blew through our budget on grounds. Yes. So that, there was a lot of- The ID does that too, right? Yeah. There was a lot of tree removals that had to happen, as well as the 201 East Miller Street. We had all of that fenced off for safety, so that went underground. As well as some people were really, really kind and stole a bunch of the fencing. So that cost us an extra $2,000 that we were not anticipating having to spend. What do you do with fencing? Does that get recycled from scrap? The fence panels, it's all aluminum, so I don't know what the aluminum price is. It's a good price. Sold some. Wait a minute. You have another job that we're not aware of? I think it's in the 60 cents a pound range aluminum is right now. So each panel weighs like 40 pounds. Yeah. So that is why that one item is so high. And then the last thing is the deficit I assume will get taken care of as the budget improves and the rate comes up. Okay. I'm good? And then there's also the money that we put into the CD as well. Yeah, that shows on the balance statement. Motion accepts financial report under Joe's recommendation. Thanks, Joe. There's a thumbs up to... Yes. Warren, second. Thank you. Any questions, discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carried. So under the current rehab projects, we took the PowerPoint a little bit, so I've got some before and afters. Construction start date, 4-1. These are the photos from before we started construction and 6-19 of 24. And currently we don't have a ton of updated photos for this one because of the structural repairs that need to take place. So they haven't really been able to get in and do a lot there. But they are about, we've got it about 27.5% complete based on the last payout. Any questions on? So we are going to have a change order. We need to approve for this one. Do you want to wait for the executive to do all the change order? Discuss it now. under one executive? Change order is really not under, we'll do that. Is there more than one change order? No, just one. Then we'll take that separately. Do you want to do that now? If there's a change order on that. There is. Okay, I guess this is where I have to talk now, huh? Everybody's sitting down, so we actually, this is huge, but. what change orders are for, I guess. So we have a change order for $68,050. So the reason why is because when all the contractors came out to do the walk, nobody was concerned about being able to repair it, which is why we had those prices of like $20,000, $25,000. When they went to get the permit, code said you need to have a structural engineer come in and evaluation, while the structural engineer, it took them three months to get us a report. So probably if we had this number three months ago, we would have been like, whoa, we've got to change course here because now we've already got a bunch of other money tied up into it. The structural engineer said, all the walls have to go. They all have to be redone. So the $68,000 is actually down from $87,000 because I said, well, wait a minute. We've already got $21,000 allocated for you. foundation repair. He's like, oh yeah, that's true, so we don't need to do that. So he took it down, so it's actually 68,000 . That's jacking the house up all the way, disconnecting everything, pouring new footers, new block wall all the way up and around, so it'll all be brand new. How often do we get in structural engineers for reports? Rarely, but we do. I mean, probably we've had them three or four times in the last five or six years, but none of them to this extent. This is the first time we've run into something this significant. Right. Has it set the property up financially with that? It's still reimbursable through the LBI grant, although it has that opposite effect of now we have less money for some of the other projects. So there is a gap as we kind of go through some of the new construction that we got. Take a look at that. So there is a gap which we'll have to, you know, the goal is to go back to HCR and ask for an amendment to our initial contract. We weren't at the $2 million cap, so there is room for us to be able to go back and say, you know, due to all of these increased costs, we'd like an amendment. That's a conversation that once we get to a certain point on the financials, we'll be allowed to, not allowed, but we'll feel comfortable having that conversation with them. But it definitely puts us over our budget of what we expected. How much are we in right now? 20, did you say? How much are we in? So how much have we spent on the property so far? Well, we spent $44,000 on acquisition, $25,000 on pre-development. So that's all the surveys and the environmental and abatements. I mean, you almost have to do it at this point, don't you, since you're so poor? That was kind of like what we were saying. Like, if we had gotten this report three months ago, it wouldn't have changed anything. And again, it fits into the mission of what we're doing. Would it have been repaired the way it's supposed to be if the land bank wasn't doing it? Probably not, but it's still not fun to come here and be like, hey, we got a $68,000 change order, guys. Yeah, and that is something, just from my standpoint, that's a conversation with this person's superior to say, hey, you know, it took you two and a half months to get us a report that you told us would take two weeks to And due to that, you've now cost us almost $100,000. Who was the engineer? Hunt engineers. That's the problem. Anybody else out there? There are, yes. Okay. So we know that in the future. Yeah. Do you have code look at the houses before you start really doing anything? No, not usually. And, you know, it's hard because, you know, if you're – They also don't really have an obligation. If we say, hey, we want to buy this house. Can you come look at it? They're going to be like, well, we don't have time. They're so stretched thin that it would be nice to be able to rely on that. But I don't think it's something that we can just because that's probably not a justified use always of their time to go and look at something that we don't own. Are you talking code from the city? I mean, they're the ones that said you had to have the structural, right? Right. And that's at the point we got the permits. And to get that in, I mean, that is their job. It's what you pay for. Right. So, I mean, if they're going to recommend all of this stuff, they should have done it way back in the beginning before you got to this point, I guess is my thing. We've had that conversation, too, about before we commit to something, is it possible, and we got the same kind of response. Like, when you're ready to pull permits, we'd be happy to look at it, but. then you've committed, so you either own it or you don't. Well, they do have private home inspectors. You're hitting a nail on the head, Teresa, because what was suggested here is you're asking a municipality government entity to look at something, which they don't go out and check. No, but, you know, also when you, build a new house, who's the first person you have to go to is code and see what all of their updates are. I mean, they are the, you know, the factor in it. I mean, nothing's going to happen unless you have them on board. A lot of times, like with the auction properties, we can't get into them before. I know, I know. So when we get in there, if we find stuff like Fulk Street, for example, we plan on doing a rehab on that. We called code and said, hey, we need you to come down here and look at We did the same thing with Underwood. We planned on rehabbing that, so we had code come in. But a lot of times, no, we don't, because like that one, nobody thought that was an issue. When the contractors even walked through, they didn't think that was an issue at all. It is the exception rather than rule. I can't remember this happening in this magnitude in another year, so it's really an exception. Tell me again, was it all four walls got to be replaced? Yes. So why don't we tear it down and put a new house on it? Well, that's what we had talked about where it would have been a different conversation, but we got so much already into it. They just redid the entire roof because they were putting off doing the roof until the foundation was taken care of, and it got to the point where they're like, we can't keep stalling work. We have to do something. So they went ahead and they redid the whole roof. And then we found out that the foundation was bad. So, yes, that probably would have been the path had we not then already put the money and the work into it. Well, then I need a motion to accept this change order. Make the motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. I'm going to give it to Emma. You've got to be strong. Thanks, Emma. You're welcome. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED, GARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS 1839 DAVIS STREET. HERE ARE THE FOUR PITCHERS. CONSTRUCTION STARTED 4-14. AND THEN HERE IS PITCHERS WERE ABOUT 71.6% COMPLETE. THIS IS RUT PORCH, BACK PORCH, Interior, they've done a lot of the sheetrock. They've got a new staircase put in. They've got all new windows put in. Any other updates you have on it? No, I don't even need to be here anymore. You've done everything. Will he be done by the next board meeting to have a price for sale? Potentially. South Walnut Street. More pictures. Construction started at 520. Here we are 49.3% complete. The new siding looks really great. I was excited about it. The front porch looks amazing. They haven't done as much on the inside yet. They're working on it. Most of the stuff for this house was all exterior. A lot of the interior stuff was done already. But this is the same contractor that's doing Davis as well, so he's working, he's got to through some of it up between both houses. I did add a little photo at the top because we had decided for 411 South Walnut to be sold with the property, so we just are combining those now. And 823 Johnson Street, we did get site-specific approval, so during this meeting we're going to need approval for the abatement cost. That is something you want to do now? Sure. Okay. So I have that on the other side, the money slide. But I also have them in front of me. So Crow came in at $21,982, and Sunstream came in at $8,400. especially considering that they are WB, Sunstream? Oh, Sunstream's great. That would be my recommendation. Okay, did everybody hear that? Do we have a motion for Tara's recommendation? And put that in the minutes, Mary. Tara's recommendation. Thank you. Any second? I don't know if she was drinking a piece of drinking side. It's all over there. I didn't want to make a second. Any questions or discussion on that? All in favor say aye. Aye. Carried. I'll bring coffee with me next week. You do. I don't know what's in this cup. So 224 West 1st Street. We did receive site-specific approval for this one on 6-26 after following the recommendations and stipulations of the LOR for SHPO. The RFP was sent out on 6-18 and we received those back last week on Friday, so we do have the numbers for that for approval as well. This is a demo, correct? Yes, and this is one, we went by there after our last board meeting and there was some we saw somebody walking in. We did wind up calling Elmira PD, asking them to please go in and remove the people. It's obviously not a safe structure, and there's nothing that we're going to be able to do other than tear it down to keep people out of there. It's a huge liability, so our hope is to get this, the process started and demoed as soon as possible before the next board meeting. Code's also been keeping an eye on it, and since that time that she's talking about, there have been two people arrested from out of there and then another situation with code there one other day too with someone completely separate. So there's a number of them going in and out. We have actually asked the person mowing to stop mowing there out of safety for them to, we didn't feel comfortable continuing to have them go there knowing that there are people with criminal activity in and out. Can we start? I have the demo prices here if you want me to go ahead with that too. Okay, so LCP came in at 92,700 and GORIC came in at 77,000. We were anticipating about 75 plus, so. This is reimbursed, right? Yes. So I'll take the pressure off you, Terri. Danielle, what's your recommendation? I say, so actually I have some thoughts about this, but you know, GORIC obviously is less. process with them, the last demo we did have to go back quite a few times in order for them to finish the work. They did eventually finish it. LCP is a great candidate just because they are an MWBE and it helps us meet some goals, but obviously that comes with a higher price tag. So I think it depends on where the board wants to go. If we're looking to hit those MWBE goals and satisfy the state, I think we should go with LCP. If we're going strictly based on bottom line, we can go with GORG. I feel like we might wind up with change orders with GORG, but that's not a definitive. It's just my instinct. WBE, you're allowed 10% over, too. The price could be 10, I think it's 10%, right? And we use them for the building we did behind there at Union Hall, and they were very, very good. They were fast, and they were good, and they took care of all the permitting, everything. And the city kind of likes them, so that kind of helps out a lot, too. Who's that, Warren? I'll see. Is that the one you're asking? Really good company. Yeah, Larry and Chris. They do a great job. Yeah. Pierce. I'm glad you brought that up because my concern is price is one thing, but if people are going in and out of there, we've got to get this thing down. Yeah, we had the same problem with ours. And they were really good. Before they dropped the hammer, they do a nice little walk-through to make sure everyone is out and stuff. Because my concern was somebody passed out in the basement. So they do do a walk-through. They were very good, very easy to work with. And I was because they were a little bit higher than the prices I had. And then also with his wife owning it. And we've done a lot of work with them before. Like I said, you know, Gord did the job at Miller. It just seemed to take a little bit longer to kind of finalize the remaining pieces. Not that that's, you know, it could have been a one-off. Miller was a little bit of an exception. I agree. Miller, though, had the gas tank. That's what I'm saying. It was an exception. A little more of a challenge. And it was their first project with us. So, I mean. The process was a little bit different and new to them. I heard Warren make a recommendation and a motion. I would, yes. All right. Tell me the name again because I... LCP. LCP, thank you. Do we have a second for that? Sure, I'll second it. Okay. Questions or discussions on that? Hearing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Mr. Carey. Thank you. All right, 201 East Miller Street, the demolition has been completed. There is grass there now. We were talking about possible infill. I did reach out to John. John is getting some variance determinations and he'll get back to me with those. So until hopefully by the next meeting I'll have some more information for you on infill. Much better than what was there though. 50 Underwood, we did send the bids out for that and did receive them back last week on Friday. So I do have the numbers for that as well if we want to go ahead with it. Sure. We're on a roll. All right. So Griffin came in at $286,900. Paul came in at $293,480. And CJE came in at $279,950. Square footage, $1,460. So $192 a square foot. It's gone up $39 a square foot in two years. And also, before we go into these, we did cross-check the pricing for modulars just to see if the stick build is the most efficient way to go. Doug has some more information on that. So just the purchase of the modular alone is over $150,000. That doesn't include any of the hot water tank, no appliances at all. It doesn't include... foundation doesn't include the 40 by 40 pad that you need for the crane it doesn't include the any of the utility hookups or anything like that so we typically use lewis homes out of wellsborough for ours for the mobile home replacement program for home ownership and he said typically it's between 275 000 and 300 000 all in do that so we wouldn't even be saving any money by going would be to go with CJE. CJE's done this before. He built one for us through homeownership, and it went fantastic. The state actually asked us to present on it at a couple different conferences. We're presenting on it in September in Detroit. It went very easily. Is this the new homes that saw a print of from Warren. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Which, the three here? Yeah, that's the bigger. Okay. All right. I'll move it, Tom, if that's okay. Thank you, Joe. Appreciate it. In a second. Thank you, Warren. When can we get started on this? I anticipate having the contracts done and out by Friday afternoon, end of day. Do you have any idea when they would start construction? He's excited. calling me every day. Dana said, we don't have the meeting until Wednesday. Well, do you have an update? No. I can't tell you any pricing until I know on Wednesday. I would say, you know, still while it's construction season, you know, the goal will be to get the site work done August, September. And then that way they can get the frame done and then do all the interior work over the winter and then be done by spring. Okay. Any other questions or questions? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED, CARRIED. THANK YOU. I'm going to go with Doug again because it's the construction. I mean, I would go with, go ahead. Does Chris have the capacity to do brand new constructions at the same time? Because we do have to have them done by the spring. So you had conversations amongst yourself. I didn't hear a word of it. So my concern is that the question was, does Chris have the capacity to do two construction projects at the same time, because these do have to be done by the spring in order to meet the HCR LBI grant requirements. And he said, yes, he can do that. Because he would just take on less of the other work that he does for us, like through home ownership he does a lot of work, the smaller rehab projects. But he's like, I haven't been on anything because I know these new construction things were coming down the pike and I didn't know if that was going to be, you know, Are they out of Cornell? Oh, OK. So that's your recommendation, Doug? Yeah. OK. We heard Doug's recommendation. Can I have a motion? Teresa. Teresa got her hand up first. Teresa got it. And then a second. I saw Joe. I got a second. Yeah, a second. Perfect. All right. Any questions, discussion on that one? Hearing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carried. Thank you. The good thing with these is they're new construction, so we shouldn't have a lot of change orders, depending. Yeah, hopefully not, right? Yeah. Great. Okay, and I don't know if you wanted to take a look at the home buyer development projects. I kept them in here for this time around, just in case there was any discussion to be had. The one we're not doing. Yeah. So these are the ones that will need the approval for an option agreement to ARPA. Not you. Yes, thank you. And then 19 Smith Road, I don't know if you wanted to have more discussion about that. At the last meeting we had talked about costs. So I did look into the delineation process. As long as we do it through the DEC, there is no cost. And then the cost of permits phase one air monitoring. the same as we do with typically any other things. So the phase ones are about $2,500. The air monitoring depends. But usually we see about $1,200 to $1,400 on that. And then just the permits would be a cost through the contractor. That's got to come down. We're not going to get anything out of it other than being good neighbors. It's got to come down. And taken care of. So, what's your argument? You said as long as we go through DEC, we'll save some money. Both. Both. I'm sorry. She just asked what house. Well, that's a camper. Oh. So, we would reduce. The benefit of this is if you just go up 14 at 60 miles an hour, you can't see it. If you slow down the speed limit to 40, you might get a glimpse. And there's the neighbor, too. We had talked to the neighbor next door, and there's been drug activity in and out of there. So we kind of approved to do this a while ago. Am I correct in my history? Well, what do you need from us? Well, I guess the question is there was conversation on whether or not the land bank was acquiring it or if the municipality was keeping it and we were doing, like how that process works. Because we can, the land bank doesn't have to necessarily own the lot in order to do the work. I think we would need some sort of agreement on file. I think that's what everybody would choose, just saying kind of who's responsible for what and what the the goal is and, you know, kind of the long-term plan for the property. But we don't have to own it, but if that's what the land bank chooses, then we could do that as well. We can't do anything with the property right next to the troughs. Correct. The goal is that the municipality was always going to keep it. So it's do we go through the transfer twice or do we just take the project on as our own without the ownership complication, I guess. And then we don't have insurance. We don't have to worry about mowing it. We just would pay the contractors, and I would say, you know, enter into an agreement with the municipality saying what the plan is that we're going to do. And, you know, that the flow of funds will go to the contractor, not to the municipality, those kind of things. So if we owned it, what would we do with it other than pave it for a parking lot? I think the ultimate plan was even if we bought it to do the demo, we would still wind up transferring it back. I'm sorry. Alice, you had an idea about garden, or was that not here? That's going to be up to the board, Michelle, as to what's actually going to be suitable for what they're looking to do. I don't think that this is really central enough to be very... I think we were discussing that was about 2024, yeah. So we don't have to own it. It would be owning it more just for the purpose of having things in our name while we're putting the money into the demo. and then we were going to wind up transferring it back to the municipality anyway. So we can avoid those two legal transfers, but I would still recommend an agreement just stating what we're going to do. And the county owns it, doesn't it, Teresa? I think so, yeah. Joe, you look like you're... Well, the only thing I would say is in my thinking, So the land bank is demolishing something for the county, and or then does that open a door to demolish something for a town or a village? Typically, a town in Southport will demolish something that we get reimbursed by the county, but we never have the land bank do it. And I'm not saying I don't support this, but it's just something to think about, and how we do it. Why haven't they taken care of it then? I don't know. That would be a county question, I guess. I didn't hear the question. Why didn't the county take care of it, or why is this not He didn't have the money. He didn't have the money for it. Like Joe said, so then what, you know, when the next one comes and wants something demolished, when do we finally stop demolishing? The thing is with this one, we kind of, a few months ago, a number of months ago, we decided we would do this. We told the county we would do this. Yeah, and the other thing too, Tom, I think this was, as we discussed a while ago, I don't think you were on the board yet, it was kind of a unique exception. in this particular case. And I, to Warren and Mike, I don't think it opens a door for other things. So I would support this. Maybe discuss giving it to like soil and water. Yeah, different entities, yeah. So they could put gravel in the parking lot. Like you say, you can't see it from the road. If you're doing 60, Warren, would you do 70? If I'm not mistaken, it's Catherine Creek, right? That's right behind it? Yeah. Yeah. So the concern was, like, working with DEC, too, which we have the ability to do. Okay. So before we, my big question, what do we do? If we were to own the property, what would we do with it or could we do with it? We can't build on it. Right. Because of the wetlands there and it's a protected area. So really we couldn't do anything with it. they make it into a parking lot for the fishermen and stuff like they have throughout there. Yeah, I think that was what Kevin had originally suggested several months ago was having soil and water taken on after it's gone. And then they just put gravel down and it's just a parking lot for access. That's a really good idea. I think that's a good idea. And let them take it. Do we need to vote on this again or no? Or are we just? I think because of the cost. the money's involved, I think we have to approve higher costs, don't we? I mean, we don't have any necessarily, like, costs right now because we don't have bids in or anything like that. But maybe just something to vote to say that we're going to enter into an agreement. Yeah, with the county to proceed with demoing, and then Hyder can draft something up. Yeah, okay. So... That was all as clear as mud to me. So what are we doing? So we have a motion to enter into an agreement for Hyder to draft something up just stating basically that the county will keep ownership, that the land bank will coordinate with him. Yeah, yeah. I'll make that motion, Tom. I mean, I'm on a roll today. I don't know. You are. Yes, you are. You know what, though? We're going to put the new kid on the spot. Okay, Michelle, there you go. You got a second for that? You picked this one, right? Second. I second. All righty. We have a change order. Yeah, that's true. It's true. We're going to talk to our attorney versus the county attorney, which happens to be the same. Okay. have papers drawn up where the county will keep the property. I'm pretty sure the county owns it. Would you agree with that, Teresa? I think so. I'll double check on it when I get back to the office. But the land bank will tear it down. Could we just be like a subcontractor more or less? Sorry? Could we just be more or less like a subcontractor? Oh, man, I don't know anything about that. So the county just kind of hires the land bank to get the get a demo, and then the land bank hires the demo contractor to knock it down. Does that turn into an agreement? Yeah, I think is that an easier way than the other stuff? The other stuff? Whatever legal mumbo jumbo that Haider has to do. Well, no. Haider's just doing an agreement that says that the land bank is going to do the work for the county. Yeah, and I think that's how you do it, like Danielle says. Be the cleanest. Yeah. Danielle, are you going to talk to Hyder? Yeah, I can shoot him an email or give him a call. Okay. All right. Do we have a basic understanding of what we're doing with this? We're going to tear that building down. And get rid of the camper. Yep, we're going to clean up the block. How's that? Not leave any residue. All right. All in favor of that magnificent project? Aye. Say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carried. Thank you. I do have one question on it though. After we do the vote? No, it's just a clarification. So typically the demo contractor would bring in the fill, but we were talking about having soil and ground, putting the gravel there for the parking lot. So I just want to clarify who's doing what so that the contractor isn't bidding on some work that they're not doing or we're leaving something out. Does soil and water do that? I think somebody should have that conversation. I mean, if we're going to rip it down, I mean, if that's what they're going to do. I think that would be a good. I think they could grab some of the stone and stuff. I think that would be a good compromise. I think so. I think that would be fair. Who would be the best person to talk to soil and ground? Soil and water. Are you looking at me? Is that going to involve Chris, Tom, do you think? It's a separate entity. That's right, it is. It marks his first name, doesn't it? I don't know his last name. Thank you. I thought his name was Mark, but thank you. I talk to him pretty frequently, but I don't know, like I'm not a board member, and I don't know if anyone else has had this conversation with him, or if he's the contact you've reached out to already. We have not reached out to anybody about this, so. Okay. I mean, I could ask and have him get in contact with one of you, I think that would be fine if you already have the relationship with him and just say, hey, we're doing a project, a couple of things to bounce off of him if they want to give us a call. That would be great. Sounds good. You guys happy with that? Okay, next. Yeah, so next on the slides, it goes into all of the numbers right down for each property. Do you guys want to go into that or... Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Otherwise, it is also basically on this sheet. But up to you. Let's get the lots out of the way. Is that a deal? Sure. All right. So we're talking about the vacant lots. going to sell, is that correct? So we would prefer to have an option agreement entered into between the land bank and Arbor. That way Arbor can apply for the funding. There is a time period for applying for the funding and the closing. So we would prefer an option agreement just in case for some reason we don't get the funding, then Arbor is not stuck with the lots trying to figure out what to do. That's pretty typical for development projects. I'm sure Hyder would love to . There he is now. I apologize, I caught up this morning. That's impressive. Tom, it's a similar arrangement they've done with the IDA for the Brookside project where they have the option agreement. They apply for funding. If they get the funding, they have to move forward the project. So it's a good set up the way that's done. Do we talk numbers or no? Your suggestion was to go for the higher value from what the CMAs provided, which I'm okay with. It's a reimbursable expense through the grant. I don't think it's completely unreasonable, and I think it's justified to be able to bring new housing to the area. It's not $100,000 a lot where we would need to then get an appraisal and justify that kind of cost. Reverend, you're in the field. Do you think that that's reasonable? I think that's reasonable. Right, you want to handle this one? Sure, I motion that we enter into an agreement. Option agreement. Option agreement. What's the rest of that? Arbor Housing and Development. Arbor Housing and Development. For the 806 Oak, 1006 Oak, and 610 Falk Street properties. What did she say, Mary? For $8,000. For $8,000. $8,000 apiece. Yes. That's my motion. Thank you. Well done. Want to help? It's like a ventriloquist. Hey, Warren. Second. Any questions, discussion on this? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Harry. Harry, would you like to help us draft some option agreements? Harper is our consultant, but Harper is buying it from us. So you missed a couple meetings. So the home buyer development funds through HCR are open to any developer in New York State. They have some requirements that they prefer experienced developers. There is a 15-year compliance period requirement. And Arbor, through other programs, kind of has that process already set up. And we talked to HCR about the land bank doing this. And they strongly suggested that the land bank not do it because we don't have any experience yet. We're getting into that with two of the other properties. That there be a collaboration with Arbor Housing, to take these properties on, they will have a lower AMI requirement as part of the funding. And then we would see the ongoing compliance for those properties. We did not, Arbor did not want to ask for them as a donation, so we did have a CMA done for the value of the loss. And our Arbor's recommendation was to pay that price the higher of as an option agreement so we had time to apply for the funding. and then we would purchase them, and then the LAMP bank would be done with their obligations to those properties. My initial concern is the public authorities conflict of interest provisions. I mean, if... PAAA? PAAA or no? Yeah. 90-day? No, Arbor is our primary consultant to do everything. They are buying an option. They're the only one getting the option. Arbor is our main contractor to do everything. They're buying an option contract from the public authority, which is land bank. And then I need to show that there's no conflict of interest and it was public bid and there's no preferential treatment and none of the rules were approved. We could do it, but I'll look at it and then if we could do it. I mean, we did have somebody for 1006 Oak that wanted to put some sort of food stand thing on it, and the board rejected that proposal. So what would the preference be then for putting the lots out? Because if we list it with the realtor, then we have to pay commissions on that, which are going to be half of what the sales price would be. And in this program, Arbor needs to be the landowner, title owner? We would be. Is it required? This is a 15-year requirement, too. So the person applying for the funding, there's no, like, subrecipient part. It's whoever's applying for the funding is the, essentially would be the owner and the oversight for the project. So this motion is to transfer the title over to, or for you to apply for the grant. So it would be to enter into an option agreement so we could apply for that funding, because we have to show site control. We would apply for that funding, and then upon receiving the funding, Arbor would purchase them and then take ownership and complete the projects. Are there any other local entities that would be able to do what you're doing that show that there's no preferential treatment? We're not interested. We're not interested, but thank you. If that helps. I don't know if there would be anybody else that would be willing to do this. So there is not, part of the other reason, there's not really a large developer fee or net gain from these because it's capped from HCR. So it's not like the land bank grant where the land bank is able to recoup 100% of the funds into the project and 100% of the sales price. I don't think the conflict that detail, it's up top saying that you are in control, you are our main, let's say, executive director, and we are entering into an agreement to sell the land bank public authority property to you. No, I understand. I'm just saying there's not, like for another developer to come in and use the same funding, they have to be a non-profit is the preference for the funding. There's also just not a large... not a large fee attached to it, so I don't know if there's another nonprofit who's going to want to do it for, I think it's like $20,000. So we could ask Habitat, you know, we could ask, I don't know, Capriati, if he would be interested. I think he's more on the market rate side of things now. We could find ways to list it without maybe having to go through a realtor. For today's purposes, we can approve if the board approves SO WE CAN APPROVE IT. I'LL LOOK AT THE LEGALITIES OF IT IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. IF NOT, THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK. OKAY. IN NUTSHELLS, WHAT SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO DO BEFORE YOU WALKED IN, SO... IS THAT MOTION STILL ON THE TABLE? I THINK WE APPROVED IT. I THINK WE APPROVED IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE OPTION. I LOST THE... timing of the thing. We'll bring you up to speed on that, Heider. We're going to need you to write an agreement for that one also. So the land bank is going to do the demolition for 19 Smith Road, but not take ownership, so we'll keep it in the county's name. So we just thought for kind of legal purposes, having an agreement that says, that the land bank is going to be doing this work on behalf of essentially the county and kind of just roles and responsibilities, since legally it's going to still be in the county's name, but the land bank is going to be facilitating the work. Okay. It would be authorizing land bank to do the work on coming onto the county property and doing the whole work. I think that, I can't remember what town it was, whatever municipality that is, they want that once it's done, the county is going to give it to them be a park or something. Yeah, it was Soil and Water was going to do something for that. Yeah, there's restrictions on it, and then the title will go, so there can be no construction for some creek over there. And Allison's going to reach out to Jim at Soil and Water to see if their plan is to put, you know, just like gravel down. Could they do that as their contribution to the project instead of having us have that in the RFP for the demo contractor? Okay. Is there a timeframe? We can start the process now with environmentals. We also need to see, because we don't have the money allocated for this project, we're over budget by a little bit. This will probably put us about $200,000 over between the other projects and this. So we will need to do a budget amendment, talk to HCR to fit this into that budget. My spring would be our hope. Yeah, I test you for me what to do with you. So other than that, if you guys want to go to each slide and look at the numbers or other than that, if you guys are. We don't get many July days like this, so unless someone, Once they look at the slides, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Is there any other new business? Just really quick. I did already send everything over to you, but I did add to this, there is an application for a new round of funding for the LDI for the operating costs, which Danielle briefly mentioned earlier. So it's the same thing where we were getting $100,000 a year for the admin cost, and I did just send out that application. Do you have anything to remove, Kevin? Once there is a replacement per the position, they'll be appointed. The county executive will make that appointment, but it's per the job title. Was that for Kevin? Yeah, it's got to be from the planning department. That's Chris's appointment. And I have seen nothing as a legislature, a legislature site where There's been no recommendation as of... I didn't assume anything. Thank you. We have to adjourn. Warren, thank you. Everyone have a nice rest of your July. Just a quick update. I'll see you guys in November. We sold Admiral on June 30th, so thank you. We have a family place in the home that you guys helped us reroute. So it's kind of the update to move off on. We don't get a lot of this. I know. That's why I just thought about that. I was like, you know what? You could have done that right before. I'd ask for like a $60,000. No. I wasn't bailing you out. You're actually good at it. I have a board meeting next Tuesday. Maybe you want to show up and give them all the bad news. I don't have to. So this is the list of bad things Emily doesn't want to tell you. So you get the Booker thing together. Chris says it's on his freaking desk, and they're selling it. Are you kidding me? You did not know that. Did you know that? Because if you did, I'm going to kill you. How are you doing? What's going on? It's your job, huh? Well, how do you know what's going on in Switzerland? Do you have a contact over there? They won't talk to him. You better not freak her out. We didn't know it was going to be ours. You missed operations. Text it to me if you get it.