All right. Is it on? Ready to go? All right. Let's call our study session to order. First item up, we have a lot of stuff. First item up is the stationary plan presentation. Jen, Todd, and crew. Yeah. So we have, the last couple of days, done some work sessions with our stakeholder group and the planning commission. And we've got a design workshop, our consultants here. They want to kind of go over what heard from the stakeholders and planning commission. Hopefully get a little bit of feedback from you guys, but kind of let you know how those meetings went. Thank you, everybody, for having us. I understand you've got a busy agenda tonight, so we'll go through this fairly quickly. Staff does have this presentation, so they can show that if you want to see it in more detail. But we are here to talk about Kimball and Crescent stations for tracks, as well as the Driefer Vista station for Front Runner. We're doing the three combined. I'm not going to go through the project statement. You're all aware of what the station area plans are required by the state as part of it. So we're here to really talk about what do the future of these stations look like? How do we think about housing? How do we think about driving transit use at these stations? Again, to think about a vision for these stations for the future. The three stations, again, Crescent View and Kimball's Lane overlap. They're half mile boundaries. So they are actually a combined station. As you know, Crescent isn't actually in Draper. It's in Sandy. They've already done a stationary plan of their own. But we need to address the Draper side. And then Draper Vista Station over there on the left side of the screen. So overall project goals, really to carry a vision for the tax stations and Draper Front Runner, as I mentioned. Again, this is a long-term vision that is required by the state. Increasing the availability and affordability of housing is a key goal for the state with this program. Promoting sustainable environmental conditions as well. And then enhancing access to opportunities, whether it's opportunities for transit, economic development, whatever it is. Specific to Kimball's land-accrescent view, we need to make sure that we understand and fit into the neighborhood character and scale, understanding that the state is asking for increased entities. So we're talking about how can we do that while still making sure that this plan feels like it's of the neighborhood. And then we have been involving key stakeholders, and we'll continue throughout. UTA is involved in all our meetings. We'll be talking to UDOT, MPOs, property owners, business owners, and I'll get into some of the folks we've talked to today. So specific goals at Kimball's Land and Crescent View, really creating a policy framework for form giving. A lot of new developments in Utah, especially that higher townhome and higher development, looks very much the same. And it probably isn't of the character that especially Kimball's wants to see. So making sure that we provide opportunities to see a mix of products and a mix of densities that make sense for the neighborhood. The UTA property, the park and ride itself, is an opportunity for development. UTA is actively doing developer RFPs on some of their park and rides to, again, help to solve some of the problems with lack of housing and access to transit. And then we want to think about improving wayfinding and local connections for bikes and pedestrians, but also to solve some of the traffic issues that we see out there today and will continue to exacerbate in the future. Crescent is basically what it is. We have identified a catalytic site, which is the Harbin's. shopping center, not the grocery store itself, but there's some development on the north side of that property. They own the continuous property. That could be an opportunity for future in-field developments. Draper, really finding some cohesiveness for the area. You all know Draper kind of is planned out, but it stalled in 2008 and the company stalled in 2020. So how can we start to catalyze investment in the area, understanding that you currently have the entitlement to go dense go high and pursue HTRZ funding potentially there. So really what we're trying to do there is not to say you have to start over, but how do we coalesce around a big idea, a place, something that makes sense so that developers start to see the value of the area. Connectivity is a huge issue over there, as you're aware. It's really difficult to get from the east side over the tracks to the Jordan River Parkway. development that may happen, so we'll be thinking a lot about that connectivity. And then, again, opportunities for affordable housing and market rate units near existing residential units . From an engagement standpoint, just to see our process, we're right now in engagement one. We spent the last day and a half here talking to folks, including some stakeholder groups, same folks that we did this fall group interviews with about a month ago. We talked to Planning Commission today. It's some work to kind of start to create a vision. We will be back here in the May to June timeframe, probably June, to do an open house and launch a survey for this, for the community to weigh into the plan. And then we are under some pressure from the state because all stationary plans have to be approved by the end of this year. So we are working toward an August-September framework for approval and adoption of work. A few things of what we've heard in our initial conversations. Transportation improvements at Vista, really important. Again, that connectivity's important. But some of the streets are too big and have really high volume or speeds of traffic. Some are very small and maybe don't fit the needs of the area. So making sure that we're thinking about that connectivity. Education infrastructure, you probably know that the school district is moving into the eBay facility, potentially bringing up to 2,000 students to the area. So that's something to consider. They also have identified that site as a potential long-term location for an elementary school as population grows on the west side. Affordable housing with the HTRZ opportunity here. There is a requirement for affordable housing if you want that state TIF. That is 50 units per acre minimum. You guys have that in hand easily with your current entitlements. And it also requires 12% affordable That does only count for a third of a mile radius around the station. So there are a couple of affordable projects planned right now that are unfortunately not within that area. So it's really kind of right at the station that would work here. Parks and open space, we've got the Jordan River Park. We've got to get opportunities for folks to get over there. And then we've talked, we've heard about parking and development flexibility. As you see things happen there, particularly parks, along Vista Parkway, which is something that people are annoyed with. So how do we start to think about not exacerbating that as we continue with this plan? For Kimball's and Crescentview, traffic and infrastructure, we've seen what goes on at 700 East and Kimball's Lane, especially when the train is coming through. It can kind of be a nightmare. You've got a lot of real estate in 700 East. It just maybe needs to be better utilized. So how do we think about that? Also, how do we think about Kimball's Lane? and that kind of connection. Right now, the road has a couple of big curves. It is high speed. It's wide, because there are very few people on it. So what can we do to make sure that there's good, adequate, safe pedestrian infrastructure? How's the density and type? We're going to be talking a lot about this, because there is a large 20 acres or so of land that a developer has their eye on. And they are, of course, looking for density. What we want to talk about is what's the right density. for this neighborhood. So we're going to be having a lot of conversations about what makes sense there. How do we mix unit types and building types to really ensure that this feels like a neighborhood and not like something else that was just dropped into the area. Driving public transit utilization, not a very high-use station there. So how can we really think about some additional density, but also maybe retail developments, UTA property maybe, to continue to make this a place that people want to come to. And that gets into retail and mixed use. Again, this one talks a little bit about the grocery store. And then environmental properties. There is a ditch that runs through the property in question that people are concerned about. It's a well-led corridor. There's access to that opportunity. So making sure that we're thinking about nature as we're planning for future infill development. So we held a direct design charrette yesterday, again, with the group of focus, or focus group members. Councilwoman Johnson was here, so we appreciate you participating in that. So we did some map exercises with those groups, one specific to Campbell's Accrescent, one specific to Vista Station, just to get some ideas, you know, what's the long-term vision here, and how do we start to think about these as places? It's really hard to get people to think about Vista Station as a neighborhood in the future, because there's just not much there yet, and most people in Draper don't experience it at all. Kimball's a little bit different. We did have a developer and neighbors at the table, and there wasn't a lot of conflict, which was wonderful to see. But had some good conversations about what should happen in the Kimball's area specifically. So with those markups, we'll come back with some ideas here in May and June to start to get people to think about what could happen from a policy standpoint, from a design standpoint, from a land use density standpoint. Those will all be included. incorporated into this. Just some ideas here at Draper that came up yesterday and today. We talked to Planning Commission today, as I mentioned, some circulation opportunities. Can we connect, you know, potentially a pedestrian network over the tracks to make sure that we can get folks from the east side to the west side and to Jordan River Parkway? These red areas indicate proposed connections. Can we think about retail or commercial frontages that make places? Rather than thinking about streets, can we create places that people can congregate? So a lot of opportunity in that area. We do have on this diagram the proposals that were drawn in that came before 2008. To see what was there, I think we have opportunities to really work with landowners to reframe some of their ideas so that it actually makes sense in making place here. Talk about placemaking opportunities. Buildings don't make place. It's the space in between buildings. So what really should the experience be when you get off the station? What should the experience be as you're coming down Jordan River Parkway and you arrive here? What makes you stay here? So we'll be thinking about the opportunities. We're thinking about the placemaking. What makes Vista Station different than other stations up and down? Kimball's, again, talked about 700 East. There's this idea that maybe Is there an opportunity to actually take away this looping road that connects here and actually connect it more directly to 700 East, to limiting some of that, but also giving back more land to create a better, more cohesive kind of development in this area. The purple on this side of the yellow line is that ag land. The triangle here is using a property that, again, they may go into a developer RFP on. Again, housing. How do we think about housing a little bit differently here? And what does density look like? So a lot of folks there, they're quarter acre lots. Some are bigger. Some are smaller. But they are one thing. People are concerned that, OK, a developer's going to come in and build a bunch of condos here. And that's 20, 30 units per acre. And that feels scary to me because it feels like it's not going to be my neighborhood. But you can achieve 20 or 30. an acre with much different housing types. And what we would like to encourage developers to do in this area is to think about not only different housing types, duplexes, quadplexes. Cottage courts are something that you can pack a lot of density into, but it still feels like a comfortable place where you know your neighbors and you've got connections to green space. And we've talked about, we've looked a little bit about what that could be, these cottage courts. Again, these are in the range of 10 to 20 units per acre. But there's a common area, you've got a small footprint for the house, but a common area that all the neighbors can enjoy together. And they're focused on this area. Parking is in the back of an alley. So these kind of opportunities exist out there. Not every buyer wants 2,500 square feet and three bedrooms. And your market in Utah is changing a lot right now. So we need more opportunities for one bedrooms, two bedrooms, folks in that market to get into the city. We think this is, or sorry, Kimball's Lane, a good opportunity. Just another view of that same project there. This is one in Petlion, Nebraska. This was done by Optikos. If you've heard of the term missing metal, Optikos created the term missing metal. It's the idea that in the last 50, 60 years, we've built single family homes and we've built dense apartments. but there's a range of things that people did beforehand that created neighborhoods like you see in Sugar House and other places that really feel like neighborhoods, but there's a density to it that feels comfortable. So something that we can take some use of up here, up from here maybe. So with that, I'm going to open up to questions. And thank you for having us today. Thank you. Any questions for us? Yeah, just on the Crescent Station one, you said Sandy already has that part done. And so we just need to section to it? Yeah, so they, the station basically, or the station area is bisected by the city line, basically. So they've looked at everything north of the road 1140. And we have to do everything on the south side within that half mile. Isn't it already pretty built out in that area? Yeah, and that's why we think the Harman's property is really the opportunity there. I like the look of some of that Those cottage ones are really cool. Do you have Sandy's design for Crescent? We haven't seen it yet. It kind of seemed like they should go together in some way. So we do have it. Well, it is on their website. like. So you've got the station in the parking. There's some vacant land next to it between 3rd and the station on the north side of 114th. The UTA owns all of that land. So Sandy's stationary plan really concentrates on that property in the parking lot for the station and putting development there. It really doesn't look at much other development. Everything's all kind of built. They're not proposing much housing. It's been a little bit since I've looked at it. I think there is some mixed use in the front and then behind some townhomes. I think I'd have to go back and look. It would make sense to put the two pieces together, right? So we're not duplicating what they've already got. So, I mean, they didn't do any planning for what's in Draper. From that, it's just kind of regular. So there's nothing to crawl up to them. I will say that, I'm sorry, but one of the planners from Sandy was here yesterday and has been involved. Any other questions? No, thank you. Look forward to further discussions and getting it done timely. Could we get a copy of that? OK. All right, next item on our study session agenda is the Traverse Ridge Special Service District Administrative Control Board, the TRSSDACB, almost like the Union of Alcohol Control. Maybe you want that, too. Great board meetings. OK, so we're going to have some interviews. Each chapter will be given two minutes for people to introduce themselves, followed by a short question and answer period. We're going to start in this order. The interview order is as follows. Mark Vincent. Mark, where are you? Right here. All right. And then where's James? Heather? Here? Is it here? Ether. Ether. All right. And then Paul Kearsley? He's online. He's online. OK. Mark, are you ready? I am ready. Do you want to come up here? Sure. All right. This is Yogi Berra. This is like deja vu all over again. I interviewed with you all. couple of years ago for this position. And I want to thank you all again for the nice breakfast. Mayor, City Council, Assistant City Manager, Chiefs, City Manager, and the rest of you folks I don't know. And we have a minute and a half left now, but thank you for inviting me. I'm Mark Vincent. I live at 2403 East Long Hill Drive in Draper. in Canyon Estates, and I'm not going to bore you with my resume details, but I have copies if anybody doesn't have anything better to do. I managed a $200 million global business back in Pennsylvania, developed a lot of domestic and foreign relationships. After 20 years of my company being privately held over the next 10 years, it was flipped by private equity three times. If any of you know about private equity flips, it's like those And they kept me around, so I developed their confidence and I stuck it out through the private equity . I was able to retire early. I moved here to paper about five and a half years ago. And this, by the way, the company's stock when I left was at 1460. Today, I checked, it was at 582. Just saying. So not in my resume, my wife Kathy and I owned a Goddard School early learning Back in Pennsylvania, we owned and operated that for 15 years. We just sold it last fall, and it generated about a million dollars of revenue a year. So I also have small business operating experience through that franchise. Concerning the TRSSD specifically, I've been at all the meetings since I last interviewed, so I'm somewhat familiar with the business. business at hand. I live in the district, survived Snowmageddon a few years ago. So I'm familiar with the unique aspects of the TRSSD. And last, and perhaps most important, at my age, I really don't aspire to any of your jobs. So this is great for me. I would like to volunteer and be a part of this. So thank you for having me, and I'll take any questions you might have. OK, now I have questions. Am I asking these questions? efficiency? These are questions the council has come up with. First question, please describe the time where you have worked cooperatively with multiple parties on difficult issues and reached mutually beneficial agreements. I wish I had memorized the application because I did answer that question. I believe the answer had to do with a committee that I put together with competitors, a legal organization that we arranged to buy and sell from one another when we didn't have capacity in the facilities. We pooled our resources for marketing together, and our businesses doubled. The business that was being managed at that time was something called Epsom Salt. You might be familiar with it. It was a dying business 20 years ago. And we all got together. And with the marketing and the increased capacity, we actually doubled the volume of sales of that business. All right. So you have been attending the TRSST board meetings, correct? Yes. Do you have any concerns about what you heard in the TRSST meetings or anything that got more attention? The stuff that Actually, Darryl was kind enough to encourage me to get involved here. He's done a great job of cleaning up some of the messes in the past. He's done a great job of reestablishing a working relationship with you all. The only thing I really noticed that I might want to improve on is I think the communication is not that great. I think there could be more routine communication from the TRSSD. I know whenever I've tried to search for things on the website relative to that group, it's been kind of hard to work my way through where they are or what they've done in the past. So I think we could work on the communication. I think we could schedule more regular meetings. I mean, nothing like what you guys do every, you know, twice a month. But, you know, maybe a regular quarterly meeting so we can all put in our That would be the last. And this isn't really an improvement, but something that I think is an ongoing aspect of the district. With all the new development up and down both sides of the hill, I think we have to figure out where we sit in that and where we play in that. I know there are some districts or some developments where one neighbor may be paying the SSD tax and the next-door neighbor is not. And although they're all getting the snow service, I think that's something that's got to be looked at, and we have to figure out a compromise to fix that. Any questions? Thank you. Thank you, guys. James. I have to keep the cane with me because my dog . Anyway, I'm a retired chiropractor. I'm not completely retired. I still have my license. I did that for 35 years. It's a blast. And it's a back-breaking job to be a retired chiropractor. And I was from Port Orange, Florida. I moved here nine years ago. And I lived in Suncrest. The beautiful Suncrest Park is right in my backyard. I saw it develop. That's why I walk my dogs around that park every day. And when I was in Port Orange, I worked with the city manager and the mayor. We had multiple meetings up in Davenport, Iowa, in Port Orange, and I helped develop the chiropractic college in the city of Port Orange. It's the largest chiropractic college in the country right now. I went to Palmer College in Davenport, Iowa, and my son's a chiropractor, my brother's a chiropractor. We actually were going to make it Heathrow Chiropractic College to start with, But it got to be too big for us, and I turned it over to my college. Anyway, I've got 10 children. I have a big family. Like I said, I'm retired. I enjoy my retirement. And with my traveling and everything with all my kids, they're all over the place. I'm interested in the PRSSV because I live in the community, and I like the community. I want to do whatever I can do. I have been a professor at two different colleges for a total of about eight years while working full-time. I received the 2003 presidential citation for my efforts in bringing Palmer College to the Port Orange floor. At one time, I had three chiropractic clinics all at once, but I have owned seven different chiropractic clinics in four different states. I'm ready to help if I can do anything. Questions? I just have a couple questions. They are, what do you think that the TRS-ST does well, and what do you think ? What they don't do well is fix the street light that's been out for one year in the corner of my property. I live in the corner of Oak Summit and Long Branch. The light's been out for a year. It actually fell down last March. And the light bulb fell out, and I picked it up They finally put a new one up, but there's still no electricity to it. And I'm kind of wondering why that is. I've talked to Daryl. I've talked to a lot of people. And everybody seems to be pointing fingers. And I would just like to get involved, not only because of the street light, but I live in that community. I plan on living here. Two questions. What do you think they do well? Oh, what they do well? Well, I appreciate the snow a little bit. And I appreciate the street cleaning and everything. But I'm not really involved in it. I haven't been to any of the meetings. So I'd be a newbie. I'm good. Go ahead, Paul. Just go ahead and do your thing. Let us get to the questions. Any questions for Paul? Go ahead. Paul, I see you speak to communication and transparency quite a bit in your answers. Can you say or elucidate on how you would manifest that up in Suncrest? Because I do believe that there's some work to be done there. I think residents get concerned about what's happening at these meetings and what's reported. organization. that you also mentioned needing to have scheduled regular meetings. Is that something you were concerned about, and would you work to make that happen? Oh, yes. To speak of transparency, are you comfortable with social media? Any other questions? All right. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. All right. All right. That takes us to the next item on our agenda, which is we need a closed session by motion. Purchase, sale, exchange, lease of real property. Is there a motion to close? So moved. Motion by Ms. Lowry. Is there a second? Second. Second by Ms. Lowry. Any further discussion? Ms. Lowry, how do you vote? Audrey Johnson. Yes. All right, that's three in favor of closing. I don't know if we have any of them online. Mine should be online. But the direction that was received by the council on this topic. So community cats, sort of the catch-all term that the animal welfare community uses to describe feral cat populations. And it is, they're unowned. They usually have a loose affiliation with one or more people who care for them. And they can be both friendly or feral cats. So that's kind of, I think community cats is probably less about how much they care about being called community cats and more about just telling people that they are community cats and they are unowned. So, all right. Feral cats, the community cats cannot live indoors. These are... cats that are basically, they're not socialized or friendly to people. They're not able to live indoors. They're not adoptable, basically, if they get brought into the Humane Society through animal control shelters. With one caveat, they are adoptable by farms that want a barn cat. So there are organizations that we work with our animal control to say, we need five barn cats, and somehow there's Yeah, and I think Ashley told us that sometimes there's organizations in Park City that will say, we want a working cat. If you've got one, we're going to pick it up. So they can sometimes send those out to the barn cats, the people who want those. So this is Salt Lake County animal services guidance. Basically, they're saying they're not indoors with people. They're unadoptable. And they should only be taken to shelters unless they're sick, injured, or deceased. Sorry, can I ask a question? If you have an area that perhaps is a community cat area and it's being developed and the cats need to be moved from that area, will animal services take them to kind of rehome them to the community? I mean, because you were talking about having the relationship with some of those organizations, like in Park City, of people who want the barn. Let's say that someone is, they've got a feral cat in their backyard. They live up on South Mountain, and it's wrecking their lawn furniture or something. They can call animal control. They can get it trapped. That is one that comes in because it's considered a nuisance. And so they will be able to kind of like, they've got a location where they can hold it until working cats sponsor comes and asks for it. Like more of an individual. But we don't actually go in and move colonies if property is sold and is being developed. There are private groups that do that. Yeah. OK. So trap and release programs, TNR for short, sometimes they're called TNVR because there is sometimes a vaccine component of it that's very short-lived. So essentially, it's really kind of controversial. Because you're going to have people who claim it's really great, and you've got people who claim it's ineffective. So it's not something that there's a greater consensus in the community about. I'm sorry to interrupt you. It depends on what your goal is. If your goal is to eliminate all the colonies, I think that's where maybe the criticisms come into play. If it's to reduce those to manageable sizes, then side of that column is accurate. So the pros of doing a TNR program are going to be that when you allow it to happen, it reduces the infighting within the colony of the community cats. So they don't have as many mating battles. And the population size, because it's ongoing neutering and spaying happening. It reduces the cat intake that's coming into animals. And then it is life-affirming. It attracts a lot of volunteers, people who really want to participate and can sometimes get funding and other resources contributed to them so that they can do these things. So there are people who are attracted to what it represents in terms of taking care of animals. There are some criticisms about it. PETA, obviously, is a pretty controversial organization. They're opposed to it. arguments against it is just that the vaccine's only given once. That rabies only lasts for about a year. You know, when the cats are brought in, like, so let's say they're trapped, right? They're trapped. They get spayed or neutered. Their ears get clipped. So then that way you can tell, like, if it's out in a colony, you know this cat's already been brought in because the ears got a clip on it. And so, and then it's released back into the colony. And again, sometimes it will have a vaccination or a series of vaccinations that it can get So just the criticisms are that it could incur an abandonment if you have colonies sometimes, and the community knows about it, and they're moving. Say somebody's like, I'm moving to Illinois. I don't want to go take my cat down. Animal control, I'm just going to dump it in the colony that lives a couple blocks away. It can be nuisance to city residents. So it's something where you might get calls from people who are annoyed by the presence of the colony. And then there's not a lot of evidence in terms to indicate that it reduces actual population. So you have to be really vigilant in the way that you maintain the sterilization rate. I can't give you an exact source for this, but basically, you've got to maintain a really high sterilization rate to continue to take that population down. So you need active monitoring and sterilization of the colony as a whole. So the other thing, just to keep in mind, so TNR also sort of entailed this idea of there's a caretaker involved, or caretakers, right? So because there usually is food provisioning going on, these colonies will sometimes have people who are bringing in food every day and water. And so especially in wintertime when the conditions are getting a little bit more difficult for the cats, so there is that element of feeding that they need to keep these colonies going. And so I think that raises the question of if we have a really active and interested group of caretakers at the moment, they're not official, right? So they're doing it as long as they're willing and capable to do that. But at a certain point, let's say that, you know, life priority is changed for them, who wants to keep, you know, maintaining that, like, food provisioning for the cat colony? So it sort of begs the question of, like, where does that food provisioning come from? Can you go back one slide, Tracy? Sure. So on this one, it says, so let's say there's a cat colony don't go in and clear them out, is it just an existing nuisance no matter what? Then it's kind of a nuisance both ways, right? I don't know that we have the resources to house a colony. Usually you start addressing the illegal activity that's going on. So there's residents who are not going to like the sustaining of these colonies and then there are residents that are going to So that's why you do have to be aware that people are going to land on different places in terms of what they think about this. So the state law on this is the Utah Animal Welfare Act. And to kind of just give you a really quick overview, because the community cat, there's sort of a carve out for the community cats within this animal welfare statute. So I just wanted to go over the key features of the state law in terms of animal welfare. So essentially what it says is that Strays that get taken into animal control. So if somebody brings in a strayed animal to our animal shelter, it has to be held for a minimum of five business days. And then when they get that, they have to record the date it was impounded. They've got to do the disposition and the method of disposition. And so they've got different things that they can either adopt it out if it's not owned, right? They'll scan the microchip on the animal. If it's owned, great. If it doesn't have a microchip, they're holding it so that... The owner can come claim it in that five days. If they don't show up, they can adopt that animal out if it's adoptable. There's a carve-out for a community cat program and then euthanasia. So they also have the ability to do that. And then they are not subject to this five-day hold if the animal comes in and it's been so severely injured and it's suffering. They can't just go ahead and put it down. And if there is a community cat program, you don't have to hold it for five days. That's the carve-out for the cat. So that is an exception. And then one of the things, too, is obviously it's incentivizing sterilization of strayed animals. So it says these animal control shelters, you can't transfer an animal without sterilization. There's a couple of exceptions. Like if it's like a kitten or a puppy, they'll basically say you can go ahead and take it, but then you've got to agree to pay a sterilization deposit. It's got to be done within like 30 days of when it reaches the right age. So the other thing is it gives a waiver for a sponsor. So the sponsor is defined as a 501c3, and they agree that the sterilization will be done within 30 days. So they're kind of waiving that fee for the 501c3. If people violate this, it's $250 for the first violation, and it's just a civil penalty. So for example, if you're an owner and your cat gets taken in two or three times, the first time you're going to pay some fees. But if you continue to not license it and you're just kind of letting it run large, you start to get some ramping penalties for not being a responsible owner. And then it does require that local ordinances of any animal shelter shall be as least at least as restrictive as what the state law is. So we can't be more lax than what state law is basically setting forth with regard to animal welfare. So then within this state law, you've got the Community Cat Act. And so this basically goes through and kind of creates this sort of carve out for community cat programs. And so it defines what a community cat is, what a caretaker, colony, what a program is, what ear tipping is, definition of feral, what a sponsor is. So it's got all these definitions. And it basically says cats can be released prior to the five-day hold to a sponsor. So if somebody is a sponsor, then they don't have to get a five-day hold. Those cats are exempt from licensing requirements and feeding bans, so they can be fed. And sponsors do not have custody the way that it's going to be defined in a lot of different city codes of the cat in a colony. So basically, though, one of the things that they do require are sponsors. is that they have to do mandatory record keeping of the animals that they do take in. That's one of the things, because they want to track the vaccination status of those. And so that's a way that you would qualify if you wanted to be an official sponsor and sort of exempt. And then it does allow cities to do a permitting process for community cat colonies. And then if you wanted to do a community cat colony at a certain location, it would require notice of infected property owners out there. So there is a process, and some cities do this. So right now, we've got two city codes. Now, just to kind of give you a quick overview of this, because of the state law, which I think was passed in 2011, the county has basically adopted its laws sort of to comply with this. So it sort of runs in parallel and allows this to happen. And almost all of the cities in Salt Lake County have basically created carve-outs in their city codes that allow for community CAP programs to function, or for people to be able to do the feeding and to maintain those colonies. So they've taken that lead from the state, and there's really only... only three cities that I am aware of right now in Salt Lake County that have not updated their city code and that's us, Bluffdale, and Midvale. So like you can go look at any other city code and most of them have, you know, they've done a different definition for community cats. It basically doesn't require the people who are supporting the community cat programs to be subject to like some of these like hold restrictions and that kind of thing, if that makes sense. So we've got these two codes right now that if, so people who do want to support a community cat colony, right, might run afoul because of the way that our code is written. So it's just these two, animals running at large and then harboring stray animals. So in order for like a community cat program to exist in Draper, kind of running afoul of our city code, we would need to make some amendments to these two particular sections of our code. So yeah, it basically says animals running at large, unlawful for the owner having charge, care, or custody or control of any animal to allow that animal at any time to run at large. You can't just let your fluffy run loose. You're not supposed to do that. And the owner is charged with responsibility for an animal found running at large. They're strictly liable for a violation of this section, regardless of the precautions taken to prevent the escape of the animal, and regardless of whether or not he knows the animal is running at large, right? So the police can run out the back door. You have no clue. You intended to keep it contained. You're still liable for whatever that animal is going to do. We've got that law right there. And then we also have harboring stray animals. which is just, it's unlawful for any person except for the animal shelter to harbor or keep any lost or strayed animal. Whenever an animal shall be found which appears to be lost or strayed, it shall be the duty of the finder to notify animal control within 24 hours. And the division shall impound the animal as parent provided. So if you're like wanting to like basically go trap a feral cat and get it fixed and get it vaccinated and then release it back into that cat colony, you would be violating this, right? Because you'd essentially like become like, If you take it into custody, you're not allowed to rip it out and run large once you take it into custody. So that's kind of how those link together. So there's, I think, some anxiety around how we could be potentially at odds with your city code if we are trapping and neutering and spaying and releasing these cats back out into a colony of cats. So that's the concern. So we need to amend our code if we want to do this, the running at large. to exempt the community cat sponsors so that they can return cats to the colony, and then amend our code to exempt animal control from having to impound community cats trapped by the sponsors. So then that way they're not at odds too with some of the state laws that restrict them. So that's the changes that we could make. We did talk to animal control, and I got a graph of the different data that comes in about the different types. So they basically said they get about 50-ish from... 2020, about 50ish feral cats are captured per year. It fluctuates by year, but that seemed to be about the average between like 40 and 60. About 60ish cats are rescued. That is a huge spike in 2019. I don't know why. Does anybody know why there were so many cats that were? Anyway, that just was like this huge number that came up in 2019 for some reason. They do about 20ish cat adoptions per year. So when it gets turned in and then it isn't claimed by the owner, about 20 of them per year. get adopted out, about 20 of them per year arrive dead or injured to the point. And then they said that there's about 10-ish of ferals that are euthanized when they are brought in. We have had some of the TNVR proponents tell us they think it's more around 30. So there is a little bit of a difference of opinion on that. But if you wanted to get the exact numbers on it, I can probably pull those for you. It's actually giving you a graph on that whole thing. So that kind of gives you a sense of like, scale, I guess, of what we're dealing with. Right, so... That's my cat. That is my cat, literally. How did you get that? That's Minx, right? That's Minx. Okay, let's see. He clearly wants out. He's like, that was your cat. But anyway, any questions for me, like thoughts on this? We're just looking for direction. Do you want us to take the next step to come back with a draft that would basically legalize what is currently occurring in the community? And we think that we can do it without incurring a cost to the city or more than that. I don't think we're creating the mic and that we're recognizing, I guess, the existing ones that are out there and allowing the people that are taking care of these cats to do so without fear of prosecution is, I guess, how that would be framed. Yeah. Yeah. What is proposed similar to what the other cities have done, or is it different? So it's kind of a range. Some cities actually sponsor a TNR program where they'll partner up with an entity to do it. And some cities just permit it, where they're like, we're not going to prosecute anybody who's doing this. We're not going to say that you're taking the animal into custody, and then we're going to hold you liable for releasing it back into the wild. So they sanction it, essentially. So, and I would say most of the cities in Salt Lake County sanction it. So their laws have been changed and the county itself has changed it. And it's sort of consistent with what state law says, right? To be totally transparent though, like some of the cities, especially in Utah County that have done partnerships to do TNR programs are now ceasing those. They haven't found them to be super effective and they found them to be a little bit too costly. So, but that's not what we're being asked to do. Like we're not being asked right now to partner up and like, you know, take on partnership with somebody who's doing this, and then they're going to hand it off to us. It's essentially just people who are interested in helping community colonies, right? They're interested in being able to, like, feed them. They want to be able to trap them and neuter them and spam them and then release them back into the colony. So they're trying to maintain that sterilization, and they're trying to keep that colony size down. So I think that's the goal. That has to be a shared goal. Let me just make you aware of a bill that was passed. Part of the alcohol bill this past session, SB 328, included a carve out for giving the city authority to waive the proximity requirements as it pertains to a public park, which is key, basically in the point. So you're aware that they've got the river to range and the green linear parks there. The legislature has allowed us to give even if a proposed bar is within the distance to a public park. So I'm telling you that just because we'll need to change our code to update it to address that. Kind of leads into the idea of, yeah, go ahead. As you're aware, there's an applicant that wants to open a sports, I think a sports bar would be an accurate way to describe it. Our code currently allows eight bar establishment licenses. We've issued seven. And as per our code, that eighth one is reserved for a full service hotel. And so this particular applicant is running into the cap. We've done some research. Travis up in business licensing has done some research. And some cities don't have a cap. such as South Jordan, basically has said, we've got our two bars, we're done. So I guess what I'm looking for is directions as to whether or not you want to open up this issue to, I guess, accommodate this particular applicant, plus look forward to the future to what may be at the point, or whether you're comfortable with just leaving things status quo. Another option is to take that take the constraints off that eighth license, which would free up a license that then this applicant could apply for. So I've reached out to you individually to chat about this a little bit, but I keep getting messages from the applicant wanting to know what the status is, although you're not obviously compelled to. Your timeline is your timeline, obviously. When I looked at the numbers, none of our cities around us have as many as we have. So I don't think we're remiss in our number. Sandy even has fewer than we have, which I have, which I thought was actually surprising. There are quite a few cities that don't have any cap, though, right? But they don't have, if you look at the number they have, they don't have as many as we have, the ones around us. Riverton, Sandy. We don't have as many bar licenses as we have. We just haven't had people come in to ask. But if they were to ask, they would not be prohibited by a set number, I think. That's correct. But it is always decided eventually, right? There's a second tab on the spreadsheet that Travis prepared, which lists each city and the number bar establishment licenses that they have issued. And so you get an idea as you scroll through. It seems like there's a fairly wide distribution, but no. The one bar that is actually in our city, but is only accessible in Sandy City? The golf course? That is one of the licenses. That's interesting, too, because that's private. That's not a public bar. You can only access that if you have... Right, but it means that a person under the age of 21 cannot go in there. Right, but not all residents can even access it. Right, that is correct. With respect to the number that we're going to need, my concern, the point, I mean, the alcohol bill was run this year primarily because we're going to need more Part of the way that it'll get developed is with restaurants, and that's part of the plan. So if you're going to raise the number, you're going to get asked to raise it when the first one comes along, or the first retail restaurant block comes along at the point. I don't know if it doesn't. We're going to need to raise it then. And of course, they've given us the to set the proximity distance, and so we'll have to get the public involved in that. But I think if you're going to have to raise it then, it might make sense to raise it a few of it now and hold it. I don't know. I mean, we're going to need some then. Just because you raise it does not mean you grant it, right? They still have to come in and go through the process. And they still have to get the state license. We're not giving them the license. They don't do it. So could you designate the point ones? Like, we designated a hotel one. Could they be designated... Yes, they could be. We're talking about designating licenses for a specific bar only, not restaurant only. A restaurant that serves alcohol. Just the public only wants a bar. They don't want to serve food. There will be food. There will be food, but what they don't want, they want it to be an adult only environment. 21 and older. Very similar. About time. I'll say, you know, the hotels the city has, none of them have restaurants. So none of them have a bar. If we get a hotel that's going to have a bar, it's going to be at the beach. So none of the hotels we have or have planned in the city have restaurants. So we could free up the hotel one. Yeah, you could just free up the hotel one up now. So it's just, you know, we still have the same number on the books. We may have to do that now, but we're going to be expecting to make that thing work. My question is, is there a ratio we can do based upon population or square footage or acreage? It's not arbitrary and capricious. It's just us picking a number that we're okay with. Yeah, Mike? So when we amended the alcohol ordinance back in 2019, when Russ and I were looking at this, we did put down, well, we didn't codify a ratio, but the ratio that we used to come up with the eight was roughly one per 7,000 residents, and then rounded up to get the eight. So that's where we're at now. The state has codified a gradual... narrowing of that ratio. So it started out at 1 per 10,200. By 2031, it'll be down to 1 per 7,000 and something, 7,246. So I mean, adopting a ratio would solve the problem in perpetuity. As our population grows, then a license could free up. The question is, what is that ratio? What do you feel comfortable with? almost manufacture the ratio by deciding how many bar establishment licenses you want, and then dividing our population by that number to figure out what your ratio is. Well, from Bryn's point, they're not all really the same. Yeah, and I'm just looking on here. For instance, you've got the American Legion. I don't know if I could just walk into an American Legion without being a member. But to your point, Brian, there are some places that have bar establishment licenses that are really not open to the public. So if you wanted to reduce the, not count the one in Sandy, you could add one to make up for that fact that that's not public, and then take the hotel restriction off? Is that what you're saying? So that would free up the queue. I literally just thought that, like, two minutes ago. So what do you want to do? Do you want to add one to it since the Sandy one's not one everyone can access and take away the hotel so there'd be one added and one open that's not a hotel? We definitely don't want to do that. We might be willing to take them. would be adding one. And then when we could add some for the point, designate it specifically. Pat, what's the alcohol enforcement situation in Draper? We have made more DUIRS this year, but it's been that we were low on our DUIRS, so we enhanced our training and have our people out looking for them proactive. So it's really hard to relate it guys have been out working really hard. Are we involved in underwriting, same operations for lack of a better term? Well, we are. We haven't done one for a minute, but we just trained up a whole group of people. But they're easy compliance checks. That's the off-premise checks. The state's currently doing the on-premise checks. And those are happening very regularly with the states. What direction do you want to give Mr. Barker? which would keep us at the same ratio. That's pretty simple. Three of you want to do that? That's fine. Do you want to add in some numbers? What are you most comfortable with? I don't care. Wait until the point starts going. No, you're going to have to, I mean, to make the point. I mean, that's why the state did it. They expect us to. So we're changing it. Do you want it to be changed now? I'm fine with it. We really don't know. We don't know what it looks like yet. I just want you to be aware of that. I don't even know how many there are. That's right. Might only be one. So we can bring back a text amendment that incorporates the updates to the state code and then removes the restriction on the hotel on that eighth license. OK. No, that's so good. Okay, thank you. I appreciate your input. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our city council meeting. I apologize for getting started a little bit late, but we'd like to call the meeting to order now. We'll start off with the Pledge of Allegiance, which is going to be given by our newly appointed Captain Pat Evans from the Draper Police Department. Come on up, Captain Evans. thank you captain evans next item number three is a is a recognition of the draper parks and recreation department by the utah recreation and parks association come on up and give us give us the do your thing do our thing thank you it is an honor to be here thank you mayor and city council my name is leanne powell and i'm the executive director of the utah recreational parks association um this is always my uh favorite day of the week, or day of the year to come and do presentations, and especially this one because I'm also a Draper resident, so I'm here for two-fold reasons. But our association is made up of about 2,000 parks and recreation professionals throughout the state of Utah, and each year as we lead up to our annual conference, we take nominations for a variety of different awards. We get all of our past presidents in a room, and and let them go through all of the different awards. And then we give those awards out at our annual conference in March down in St. George. And then I get the honor and our presidents of coming back to each of the cities and representing those awards to you as a city council and to your departments and your staff that are doing such great work. So I'm here today. The award that your Draper Parks Recreation is getting is our Department of the Year. which is really kind of the iconic award that everybody is going for. When we look at Department of the Year, we're looking at a lot of different things, but as a profession, there's really three kind of pillars that we're looking at in Parks and Recreation and the things that we stand for and things that we try to do. And one of those is a focus on health and wellness and really trying to make each of our communities as healthy as possible and provide programming and opportunities to to really improve the health of all of our residents. A second pillar that is very important to us is conservation and stewardship of our open spaces and our lands, parks and trails. And the third pillar that we're always looking at is kind of access for all, trying to create opportunities for all the members of our community and the things that they're doing. And I think you would probably agree with me that Draper Parks and Recreation Department stands above all in all three of those pillars and the great work that they're doing. We look at some of the things that we've given awards for over the last few years. Your All Abilities Park is a statewide leader in the things that you're doing to try to create access for as many people as possible. The 4,000 acres that you recently put into a conservation easement, Again, leading the state in how do we protect open spaces and lands and be stewards of that land. And then just the variety of opportunities. I guess I would challenge you, like what would a community look like if it didn't have skate parks and splash pads and an amphitheater and special events for all of your citizens and a way to bring your community together. And we know Parks and Recreation gives us that opportunity to really bring a community together to bring people from different backgrounds and and all together to celebrate their community and to work together with one another and strive just to do great things within the community and your department is doing great things and I would like to also just recognize Rhett Ogden is our current PAST PRESIDENT OF OUR URPA ASSOCIATION. SO HE'S IN HIS THIRD YEAR OF LEADING ON A STATEWIDE LEVEL AND HAVING HIS DEPARTMENT BE VERY, VERY INVOLVED IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING STATEWIDE. SO DEFINITELY STATEWIDE LEADERSHIP. AND ALSO ZOE ROADS, WHO WAS OUR EXECUTIVE SECRETARY FOR THIS PAST YEAR WHILE RET WAS THE PRESIDENT. SO ON BEHALF OF OUR 2,000 MEMBERS, Our past presidents have put a lot of time and effort into really trying to understand what sets a department apart from others. It's my honor to recognize your Parks and Recreation Department as our 2025 URPA Outstanding Department of the Year. Are we picture takers? Yeah, we are. Rhett, bring everyone up and we'll come get a photo. going to stand behind you. Well, folks, we have a lot of parks in our community, a lot of them actually, a lot for a city of our size, and these folks do amazing work. How many of you park as is your first city council meeting? Raise your hand. All right, welcome. Rhett, good work. We are fortunate to have Mr. Ogden. He wears many hats and does a good job with the resources he has to keep it nice and excellent work. And, again, thank you. Your department is most definitely deserving of the award, so good work. And I hope you voted for us in the meeting. All right. All right, next, item number four is another award. Is Lieutenant Willie here? Ah, okay, come on forward. I'm going to let Lieutenant Willie describe this for you and talk about what it is, because it's actually awesome. Absolutely, however you want to do it. All right. So as Mayor Walker said, I'm Lieutenant Dustin Willey. I supervise our investigations unit here at the police department, and we're here to recognize Detective Anna Adregnola. If you want to stand up really quick, we'll come take a picture in just a second. This is Detective Adregnola. She's policing for two, so I'll do my best to keep this short because I know everybody has their time is important. So it's difficult to keep things short when you talk about the great work that great cops do. But from the onset of Anna's career, it was very clear that she was going to be somebody for us to watch and keep an eye on. I remember her very first days on FTO. She was very, she had a go-getter attitude. She tackled the hardest calls for service, the messiest calls for service that a lot of people want to shy away from. And that really quickly earned her a spot in our investigations unit as an SVU detective, continuing to work on the hardest, messiest cases that we come across. In the few short years that she's been with us, she's been recognized multiple times by her supervisors, by her peers. Two of the awards she's gotten in the last couple years are Draper PD Officer of the Year. She won ICAC, that's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force here in Utah, New Officer of the Year. So it's clear that she's been recognized for the great work that she does. Being recognized by peers and supervisors is very notable and it's an accomplishment to be proud of. An award like this is a little something different. The award she got a couple of weeks ago, she was recognized by an outside group called the Utah Coalition Against Sexual Assault. She was Officer of the Year for the Utah Coalition. When a group of people that aren't cops or aren't administrators, the good work that a police officer does is something a little extra special. She was in good company. It was up at the state capitol. Among the award recipients, there were lawmakers, former Mrs. Utah, administrators for large, large departments and organizations, and businesses that help victims of crime. So with that, I will say well done, Detective Adregnola. stand up and let's give her another clap. I assume it's picture time. Well, if you haven't met Anna professionally, that's a good thing. But she's a fantastic police officer. She really does have a good way with people, and she's able to defuse situations. She's not a big lady, but she is not afraid of anything on this planet that I know of. But she's also a very thorough investigator. Some of the work that she's done has been very, you know, above and beyond the call of what you would expect. So we're lucky to have her. She's fantastic. And maybe that baby will become a police officer. We don't know. We'll see. Anyway, Anna, thank you very much for all your service. She's tremendous. All right. Our next item, number five, is an oath of office and swearing in. I'm going to turn the time over to our Fire Chief, Chief Smith, to carry this one forward. Go ahead. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor and Council. I like this over here so we can kind of, so I don't feel like I have my back to everybody and it'll work good for the swearing in. I was not about to be outdone by the Parks Department and Police Department, so I brought more people tonight to help cheer us on. But we are very happy tonight to have three individuals that will be taking the oath of office. two that are newer to our department, and one that is a promotion within our department. So I'm going to ask members of our command staff to come up here with me. So our deputy chief, I think we have two of our battalion chiefs here, if you'll come up here with me. And then I'm going to ask Mr. Andrew Boddy to come up here with me because he's going to be the first one that we're going to swear in. And I'm going to brag on our folks a little bit tonight because we have some tremendous, tremendous people. So Andrew, come stand right here, turn and smile. Andrew Boddy is new to our agency. He comes to us with nearly 10 years of full-time experience from the East Coast. He worked with Charleston, South Carolina for nearly 10 years. And lucky for us, him and his wife came out here on their honeymoon a couple years ago now, right? Last year. Last year. And when they were out in this area, they decided that this was actually the place that they wanted to go. relocate to a place that they wanted to be to start and to raise their family in. And so lucky for us, we were looking for new individuals at the right time for him to be looking to start to make their move. And so we were able to snag him from the East Coast. He's also a member of the Army National Guard. How many years of service now in the National Guard? 13 years of service in the Army National Guard. He's also a helicopter pilot. and still flies for the Army National Guard. Took time off to put himself through that flight school, if I remember correctly, Andrew, is that correct? Tremendous work ethic from him. He's also got a master's degree in public safety leadership and administration, so you can tell that he's a very highly motivated individual. And we are trying to put all of his great experience to work already by helping him do some instructing and training within our groups of people already. So Andrew, we're very, very fortunate to have you as part of our team. So we'll go ahead and administer the oath of office for Andrew now. And then we will have your wife come up and put the badge on you. All right, next we're actually going to swear in two paramedics. I'm going to obviously bring them up here, talk about them, and make them be embarrassed for a minute. So Tim, if you'll come up first. A little bit of a theme here. Tim comes to us. He's actually, we've tried to get him in here. We haven't been able to match schedules. So he's been here with us for a few months, but we haven't officially had a chance to swear him in. But Tim comes to us as well from the military side. He's got nearly 12 years of both active duty and reserve duty with the military, both in the Marine and the Air Force. He actually spent five years as a pararescueman as part of the Air Force as well. One thing that we have certainly found is that our members that come with military background have had ingrained in them a lot of the core values that are essential to us and our department, that of discipline, teamwork, integrity, and accountability. And obviously those line up very well with our core values for our department, which makes them a perfect fit for our culture and our department. Tim's also done a lot of schooling. He's got an Associate of Arts degree and also a Bachelor of Science in Exercise Science with emphasis in biomechanical. I can't even hardly say it so you know he's a smart guy. So we're very lucky to have Tim as part of our department. Mr. Shane Street, come on up here. Yeah, you can tell there's some fans out there. Let's hear it for... Shane is a new promotion to the rank of paramedic from within our ranks. It's been really an honor to watch Shane grow and progress in his career. He started back with us in 2018, 2019? 2019. And he was actually referred to apply for our seasonal fuels crew position by one of our members who's been a good friend of his, a lifelong friend of his. We were able to pick him up for our seasonal program and obviously learned right away that Shane was specially at a great work ethic position He was a tremendous team player and showed some real leadership within the fields crew program. We were able to hire him full time in August of 22. I think that's correct, right? August of 22. And he's been working hard and working through the ranks since that time, getting all of his prereqs done, going to paramedic school, and just graduated from the UVU paramedic program on Friday of last week. which is a grueling program. It takes some effort, doesn't it, Shane? He took your test today, correct? No results yet, right? We'll maybe pencil in maybe an unswearing in two weeks if he doesn't pass his test. No, we have very high confidence in the abilities of Shane, and again, it's just been a tremendous honor to be part of watching you grow and progress in a fire career. and know that you'll be a tremendous leader in the future. So congratulations to you. So to the rank of firefighter paramedic, we're ready for the swearing in. Because it's been a little bit of time, we did get him a badge, but we haven't been able to do the official badge pinning. So we don't want to pass up the opportunity to cause some pain when you can, right? Thank you, Mayor and Council. Always appreciate your support. Thank you and congratulations, paramedics and new firefighters. All right, item number six is a proclamation of Arbor Day. I'm going to read the proclamation of Arbor Day. Arbor Day 2025, whereas in 1872 Jay Sterling Morton proposed to the National Board of Agriculture that a special day be set aside for the planting of trees and whereas this holiday known as Arbor Day was first observed in Nebraska with the planning of more than one million trees and is now celebrated throughout the nation and around the world and whereas trees reduce the erosion of our precious topsoil by wind and water, cut heating and cooling costs, moderate temperature, clean the air, produce oxygen, and provide habitat for wildlife and whereas trees are renewable source giving us paper wood for our homes, fuel for our fires and countless other wood products and whereas trees in Draper City increase property values, enhance the economic vitality of the business areas, beautify our community and whereas Draper City has been recognized as a Tree City USA by the National Arbor Day Foundation and seeks to continue its tree planting practices Now, therefore, I, Troy K. Walker, Mayor of Draper City, State of Utah, along with the members of the Draper City Council, do hereby proclaim April the 25th, 2025, as Arbor Day in Draper City and urge all citizens to celebrate Arbor Day and to support efforts to protect our trees and woodlands. And with that, I'd like to also let you know that this Saturday we are planting trees. And you can come out if you would like to be a part of it. 26th at the Rotary Park at 10 a.m. we'll be planting some trees in honor of Arbor Day which we've done every year that I've been around so it's a long time coming we all know the value of trees and Arbor Day is a great thing so please come out to that if you're interested 10 o'clock Saturday the 26th at the Rotary Park if you don't know where that is it's down 123rd at the river bottom as you head towards Riverton right there all right thank you that takes us to item number seven This is an opportunity for general public comment for folks who want to make a comment to the council. If you're here for an item that is on the council's agenda for a public hearing, and we have two of them, we ask that you wait until that public hearing is called if your comment is directly apropos to that item. But if you have a general public comment, we'll take those now. Is there anyone here that would like to make a general public comment? All right, seeing no general public comments, we'll move from item seven to item number eight. Item eight, item A is approval of the March 22nd, 2025 City Council retreat and April 1, 2025 City Council meeting minutes. Item eight B is approval of resolution 25-15. It's a resolution approving and authorizing an interlocal agreement between Draper City and Salt Lake County Clerk's Office for the 2025 municipal primary and general elections. Item 8C is approval of resolution 25-16. It's a resolution appointing Josh Christiansen as a member of the Draper City Parks, Trails, and Recreation Committee. Item 8D is approval of resolution 2518. It's a resolution supporting Draper City's application for a congressional community project funding request to obtain funding for the engineering, design, and construction of redundant water system, water system upgrades. And I believe that's all the items on consent. Is there a motion, council members? Here you go. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve the consent calendar. We have a motion by Ms. Lowry to approve. I'll second. All right, we'll introduce... seconding and motioning. We have a motion by Ms. Lowry to approve the consent. I have a second by Ms. Johnson. Is there any further discussion? All right. Ms. Lowry, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Ms. Wadry? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. All right. The consent item is approved unanimously by vote four to zero. That takes us to item number nine. This is a public hearing. Item number nine is a public hearing on ordinance number 1646 and number 1647. Ordinance amending the official land use map of Draper City from residential low medium density to residential medium high density and amending the official zoning map of Draper City from RA1 residential agricultural and RA2 residential agricultural to RM1 multiple family residential for approximately 1.5, two acres of property located approximately 13637 South, 300 East, and 13651 South, 300 East within Draper City, otherwise known as the Latner Land Use Map and Zoning Map. And we have our staff, Mr. Todd Taylor. Go ahead, sir. Thank you. This is a map of the subject property. It's on the east side of 300 East, north of 138 South. This is an aerial showing the two parcels. Each has an existing home located on the properties. The land use map, the current designation is residential low-medium density, or residential. You can see across the street, it is residential medium-high density, and then on all other sides is residential low-medium density. The existing zoning, one of the parcels is RA1, and the southern parcel is RA2. Again, you can see to the north and south is RA1, to the east is RA2, and then across 300 east is RM1. This is a zoning map that's just zoomed out, so you can see down 238 south what the zoning generally is in the area. As you mentioned, This is a request for a land use map amendment from residential low-medium density to residential medium-high density and a zoning map amendment request from RA1 and RA2 to RM1. Here are some site photos of the two existing homes. The southern home and both of the homes again. The Planning Commission heard this item at their April 10th meeting, and the Planning Commission forwarded a negative recommendation on both requests on a vote of 4 to 0. That concludes my presentation, and I'm available if you have any questions. Questions for Todd? Todd, what was their finding for denial? Their findings... I don't have it written down exactly, but it was related to compatibility with the area, the appropriateness, and the discussion did touch on 300 East sort of being a dividing line of sort of density. So that was the general discussion that occurred with the Planning Commission members. Thank you. Any other questions for Todd at this time? Is the applicant here, Todd? Which one of you is the applicant? Would you like to address the council now, or do you want to do it after a public comment? You're welcome to do both, but come on forward, give us your name and address. If you want to address the council now, go ahead. Thank you. Thank you, council. It was a pleasure being here this evening. I enjoyed the swearing-in. What we're planning on doing on this project. Give us your name and address, please. Oh, excuse me. Robert Lanthier. My address is 13637 South 300 East. All right, go ahead, sir. Okay, thank you. What we're trying to do on this project is just doing a little lower density on it to bring in a road so we can kind of share the access. that it yeah any questions for the applicant all right sir we'll give you the last word since you're applying now we're gonna go to the public hearing on this matter thank you I'll give you I'll give you the last word at the end so how many of you here to make public comment on this that want to make public comment okay you haven't been here and made public comment before I'll give you the rules to my right and your left is our clock three minutes you don't have to use them all sometimes it's even better if you don't but you get to use all three minutes but you don't get three minutes in one second so we're very fair and when the buzzer goes off your turn is over so get it all done in three minutes that's our main rule next rule come forward give us your name and address that'll start the timer also refrain from applause or cheering, any of those things. This is an opportunity for us to hear a comment. And then, of course, you can ask the council questions. They will be rhetorical. They're going to listen, and then they may address you later when they're dealing with the matter. But they're not going to engage you in a conversation. So based upon our rules, I have one card, and I'm just going to call because I have it in my hand. Matt Smith, you're going to be first, Matt. So come on up. Give us your name and address. you matt smith i live at 329 east brown farm lane just to the south of the property so i appreciate the opportunity to comment tonight and i want to thank the city council for your service to the community we've lived here for 10 years we love the community and they're super super pleased to be here i know bob he's a good friend of mine and i can appreciate what he wants to do his property that said i'm opposed to the proposed changes to both the land use map and the zone because I feel that they're really inconsistent with the area and the character that's already been established in the surrounding properties. If you look at the development plan it lists seven homes called out which again I don't think is really consistent with especially the properties on the east side there. Obviously the development plan as it stands could change IF THAT WERE SOLD AND IF THE PROPOSAL IS APPROVED, THEN ANYONE COULD COME IN AND ACCORDING TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE, IT ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES, ET CETERA, WHICH, AGAIN, I FEEL IS REALLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND ALSO, I FEEL THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS UP HERE AND THIS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE EAST SIDE OF 300 EAST, THAT COULD BE A FURTHER PRECEDENT FOR FURTHER EXPANSION OF THAT ZONING TO THE EAST. And I feel that also this would devalue the surrounding properties there. And lastly, my wife and I bought our home 10 years ago after looking carefully at the zoning and the land use map, and we selected that based on the character of the area. And so I respectfully request that the city council deny this proposal. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. Who would like to be next? I'm Kristen Thomas, and I live south of the property we're talking about on Brown Farm Lane. We own the lot east of the lot in Discussion, so there's that small strip of land that's just east of that. You can use that mouse if you want. I think it'll come up for you. Okay, so we own this property, which is not built on, but we're planning on building on it. Go ahead. You're good. Okay. I thought he was talking to me. We bought the lot because we love the neighborhood for many reasons. One of the reasons is because of the beauty of the neighborhood. The lots are half acre lots and our lot to the east is a full acre. The neighborhood has a really special feel to it. We don't support the changing of the zoning to RM1. My current backyard looks out on the corner of 138 South and 30 East where we and many of our neighbors supported the zone change that happened on that lot several years ago. between the zone change and the construction land was sold and because of the particular zone distinction the builder was able to build six lots six homes on that lot which is just under an acre the development was built was different from what we understood would be built when we were supporting the zone change but it was within the zoning allowance many of us in the neighborhood Many of us in the neighborhood were disappointed with the new development and are very leery of another zone change abutting our neighborhood because of this happening previously. Building seven homes on the lot in discussion will disrupt the existing residential character. Thank you. Thank you. Who would like to be next? Good evening, Mayor, Council. Thank you, Scott Thippen. My address is 363 Brown Farm Lane. I am... just right here. So our corner lots in the back kind of touch that area right there, that same lot. And I've been in the mortgage and real estate industry for 30 years. And if the zoning changes were to happen and you were to start doing this development, I've seen so many developments over the years say, oh my gosh, this is going to cost X amount. It's going to cost way, way more than what it's going to plan for. So then it's sold. And then, like other members have commented, then somebody could come in and use that zoning to build whatever they want. That could very easily happen. Same comments as the other neighbors. It's not conforming to the neighborhood and what's currently built there. I feel like across 30 East, it feels like that's that line where you can do that over across 30 East, but you're all residential half acre lots on that side. You know, also just, you know, more traffic. There's going to be more traffic with what's happening over there on that corner and different things like that. So I would oppose the zoning change. Thanks. Thank you, Scott. Who would like to be next? All right. Seeing no further public comment, I'll close the public comment period and bring it back to the council. To the applicant, is there anything you want to address the council on having heard public comment? Come on up again, please. All right. Get right on that microphone so we can record it. Thank you. Thank you, council. I appreciate your time. This one piece of property has just been sitting there for the last, since 1947. Everything else around it's been subdivided into half acre lots. Now the new chain is coming across and they're going with smaller lots due to roadsides. What I proposed to the council is that we do a development agreement and we only build a certain single-family housing in the front on a half acre, on one acre in the front, and then in the back, do one solid house in the back on the half acre. And with that, I'd like to close. All right, thank you. Thank you so much. All right, council members, what's your pleasure? applicant is saying that he has a different proposal at this point but we can really only deal with what's in front of us today I counsel I would suggest if sorry yeah if you're interested in seeing a development agreement come back continue this item give the applicant the opportunity to make that application go back to Planning Commission and come back to you I'm not even clear on what he's proposing for the development agreement. I would invite him back up and get clarification. All right. Do you want to ask him more questions? Do you want to state again what your proposal is now for the property? Yes. What I propose to do on it is to do a half acre on the very back. There's a mouse right there that you can point to. Okay, on this portion back here would be, I'd do the property line right through here. This would be my personal home. And then the road would actually start from right here and slide all the way up to here and then do like three lots on this side and then three lots on this side here. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. You're saying you want to parcel off a half acre on the back and then do six more lots? On the front, on 300. Okay. That's what your proposed development agreement would be? Yeah. Is a total of seven lots. All right. Okay. Anybody have any other questions for him? Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion. Go ahead. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to deny the... land use and zoning map amendment. I do not find it to be compatible with the surrounding zoning or land uses. I have a motion by Ms. Lowry to deny ordinance number 1646 and 1647. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Johnson. Any further discussion? Yes, Mr. Mayor. I'd just like to comment that my analysis on this does not support approval. The current zoning is presumed to be I don't see any facts that overcome that presumption. Two, it doesn't meet the surrounding area. And then three, it appears to be a spot zone. So I'm not in support. Anyone else? I agree with Mr. Green. It feels like it would be pocket zoning right there. And I think what it's zoned for right now is compatible with the surrounding area. All right. Ms. Lahr, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Ms. Vaudrey? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. All right. Ordinance number 1646 and 1647 are denied unanimously four to zero. That takes us to item 9B. This is also a public hearing. It's lingo land use map amendment, zoning map amendment, and development agreement amendment request. STAFF'S REQUESTING IT, BUT LET ME READ IT SO WE CAN CONTINUE IT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S LINGUAL LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND AMENDMENT REQUEST. IT'S AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LAND USE MAP OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOW MEDIUM DENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY, AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FROM RA2 TO RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL 20,000 SQUARE FEET, MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO RM2 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, AND AMENDING AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT approximately .05 acres located approximately 13040 south 1300 east otherwise known as the lingal land use map amendment zoning map amendment and development agreement amendment request right jen you say that the you're requesting a continuance yes the staff is requesting a continuance to may 6 there was a miscommunication on the noticing for this item so we do need to re-notice it all right council members the staff wants to go to may 6 is there a motion I'll move we continue this item to May 6th. All right. Motion by Ms. Faudrey to continue to May 6th. Is that right? Correct. Okay. Second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Lowry. Was it you? Yes. All right. Any further discussion on item 9B? Ms. Faudrey, how do you vote? Ms. Lowry? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. All right, that item is continued unanimous vote four to zero. That takes us to item 10, which is an action item. It's a resolution. It's approval of resolution 25-17. It's a resolution of the Draper City Council appointing three members of the Administrative Control Board for the Traverse Ridge Special Service District, which we just did interviews for in our study session. Mr. Mayor. Ms. Vaudrey. I move that we appoint Mr. Mark Vincent and Mr. Paul Kersley for the four-year term of the Administrative Control Board for the Traverse Ridge Special Service District and that we appoint Mr. James Heather for the two-year term of the Administrative Control Board for the Traverse Ridge Special Service District. All right, we have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Johnson. Any further discussion? Just that we really appreciate these gentlemen stepping up and getting involved in their community and making a difference. So thank you very much. Yes, thank you for being willing to serve. And you're going to get a streetlight fixed, as you all know. All right, Ms. Rodger, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson? Yes. Ms. Lowry? Yes. Mr. Green? Yes. Mr. Lowry? Yes. All right. You gentlemen are appointed unanimously four to zero. Mr. Mayor, I think we've got a couple of council manager issues. Okay. Do you want to go ahead? I believe Nicole had a couple. Yeah, I just wanted to bring an item to the council regarding the cemetery and our winter burial procedure. This past winter the city experienced a higher number of burials than usual and our current process is to leave the plot as dirt and then as soon as sod becomes available we'll re-sod all of the plots that are dirt, which we have already done for the year. But staff met and came up with an option and we wanted to get Council's feedback to lay artificial grass over the burial sites during the winter months and replace it with live sod in the spring. We feel it's a respectful, appropriate, temporary solution. And we're just seeking council's feedback on this recommendation and are happy to provide further detail or explore other options if desired. All right, so the proposal is to cover the boot hill look with the artificial turf? Yeah, just to cover up the dirt when it's winter only. Until the real grass gets put. Until we can buy sod in April. What do you think of that? It would look better. Say that again? I said it would look better, but what do the other cities do? Other cities can try, depending on the time of the burial, if the ground isn't frozen, to preserve the sod, well, to cut the sod, and then try to relay the same sod. It doesn't always look the same. It could be lumpy or yellow, and then they'll replace it. Sometimes it takes. Draper's a little unique, though, where we don't have a full-time staff member to do that all the time. So we split between public works and parks and they both, they kind of pinch hit and help each other out depending on the snow and other things going on during the winter. So other cities try to preserve the sod. Sandy City just does not try at all and they leave it dirt. But most surrounding cities will try to preserve the sod when they're excavating. But since it's hit and miss, we thought the artificial turf would be a consistent. I'm assuming they're uniform size. They are. So you'd know. You'd have, you know, you'd have a few carpets you could. You could reuse it. Yeah. And Rhett couldn't jump anything he needs to, but there's a little shed out there, and we could just roll it up and keep a couple in there and reuse them. Yeah, that would be the plan if it's approved is we would have specific pieces cut to size that would be down in the winter. And then as soon as we can buy sod from the sod farms, like last week we did 14 grays, we soldered them all, but we usually can't do it before mid-April. So this would just be a temporary look during the winter. It's usually not a big issue. This year we had an extraordinary amount of of burials in the winter, so it's kind of come to a head now that we needed to try and figure something else out. We kind of thought the fake grass was a good solution until we can get real grass planted. It was a busy winter. Are three of you good with putting some artificial turf over the dirt until the new sod can go? Tasha? I think it might be nice for the families, you know, if they come visit over the winter, that give them a little bit of peace other than the dirt. Fred and Mike? Yeah, I'm fine with it. If we can't preserve the sod, then for sure I think we should cover it with the green artificial turf. Okay. What's next? My next item is... Salt Lake County has asked Draper City Hall to be a vote center for our election this year. And in doing so, if we agree to that, and I think we have in the past, for the week, for the first week in August, where we would have city council meeting on August 5th, early voting would be set up in here in the chambers. It looks like in the previous election years, 2021 and 2023, we canceled or moved that meeting and council attended the night out against crime meeting. So just getting some feedback on what we want to do for August. Looks like we could move a meeting to the 19th if we needed. Everybody good with that, moving it? Anybody have any heartburn with that? No. Okay. I don't remember moving it on the early voting. I just thought it was just on like the 12th of August. There is early voting. that week before the primary election. But at least you can still vote by mail. Isn't it correct that once they place the equipment, then, excuse me, we seal off access to the council chambers once they put their voting machines in here? Yeah, they're going to put the voting machines in on Friday, August 1st. While the equipment will be delivered in here, so we'll have to lock it up. and then they'll have it ready to go on the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th. Does anybody have any problem with moving a meeting to accommodate the voting? I'm not hearing anyone. No. No, I don't have a problem. So if we were to have a truth in taxation, we had picked a date. I don't remember what date that was. Do you have that, Nicole? What if we just accommodate it, whatever we got to do to move the – It was August 13th is what this says, but that's – well, we would need it by August 13th. So, yeah, that could be a problem. We could hold it in a different room other than the council chambers here. We could do it in the study session or somewhere else. All right, we can accommodate that. Nobody has any issues with moving it for the voting? What's the next item? Okay, I have one item. David Wilkes and I were approached by a company that would like to hold a Criterium bike race during Draper Days. It's a fast speed bike track, and they found that they think that they have the perfect route. They've gotten permission. It's going to be down by eBay and the front runner station. Do you have a next? And so the guys already got permission from Ivory, from UTA, and from the school district. And so it would, the route, you can kind of see it's hard to see. The red, they would have to close, it would be July 12th from eight to two. It would be the championship criterium race for Utah. He is really excited about it. It wouldn't take a lot of our staff time. He would run everything. It may take a couple officers to block off the roads, and it would be the same morning as the 5K, but the 5K would be off at Draper Park. So we don't see a conflict, but before we move forward and negotiate with him. He would charge, I think he charges about $50 a person. Juniors are all free, and we could get sponsors and have some events in the parking lot to raise some money if we want to try to turn it into... revenue but it would go um the um what is it vista station in front of ivory would still be open north and south and then the front runner boulevard would be only open south so but does anybody have does he cover the cost of the officers um yeah we could we could make sure he covers the cost of the officers and he even talked about maybe possibly giving us you know a percentage of the ticket sales but uh He thinks it would be, you know, exciting to have it here in Draper. They're fun to watch. It would be pretty cool. He thinks it would get about 250 people. Yeah, we have a quick, like, if you just want to show this YouTube video for, like, 30 seconds. This is one in Park City that was on the streets of Park City, so this would be an easier route. Nobody gets hurt. That's what he says. But, yeah, if you're okay with us, we can still talk and work out an agreement with him. Does anybody have a problem with doing this? Yeah, we ought to try and build it up, get a few bucks. We thought we could, you know, make it, try it this summer, and if it is successful, we could turn it into something and make it, yeah, grow it for sure. Okay. Anybody else have something? Mayor, if you'll indulge me to go back to the cemetery for a minute. So we don't cut the sod when we dig the graves. We just... That's correct. We just have an excavator out there, and we don't have a sod cutter out there. So we... Usually we're just on call. So sometimes we're just pulling guys off their regular routes or whatever they're doing. They go out and dig a grave and it's kind of a different process because we don't have anyone out there full time. So it's kind of a mixture of duties that we're sharing between departments. So our guys don't really cut sod. We don't, you know, we dig stuff. That's what they're good at. Okay. All right. Well, maybe when you look at sod, at the artificial turf, you could get something like not too bright green because it seems like in the winter that's also going to have its own downside, right? All right. I won't say what I was – Is there anyone else that has any council manager items or any other items? All right, that takes us to 11 then, which would be a motion for adjournment of this meeting. Motion by Ms. Lowry. Second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Johnson. All in favor of adjournment, say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? Aye. We stand adjourned. Thank you all. Good evening. Good evening.